FA/Trade Thread 14-15 Season V.25 | Post trade deadline.

[BertCorbeau]

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[thewave]

I find it hilarious reading a lot of this. Panic sales, sell low proposals and far fetched scenarios but the worst... People now finally admitting that the 1st line is a liability and make the D look worse than they when I have been saying it for years in here and been ripped on for it.

Just get rid of Bozak and Kessel and you don't have to do much more right away. Maybe Lupul and Robidas but if Lupul has a terrible return forget it. I imagine Kadri will be gone by request which is sad and hope I am wrong.

I think Dion deserves full value back in a return. He looks good out there and is the least of our problems. I have no idea how its felt in the locker room.

 

[Daisy Jane]

Now now. There was that one time he made the pass that missed everyone, but on the way back around the boards it came right to him. That counts, no?

but honestly, i think that's Jake's big flaw. he's a v. slow thinker.

 

[Teeder9]

I find it hilarious reading a lot of this. Panic sales, sell low proposals and far fetched scenarios but the worst... People now finally admitting that the 1st line is a liability and make the D look worse than they when I have been saying it for years in here and been ripped on for it.

Just get rid of Bozak and Kessel and you don't have to do much more right away. Maybe Lupul and Robidas but if Lupul has a terrible return forget it. I imagine Kadri will be gone by request which is sad and hope I am wrong.

I think Dion deserves full value back in a return. He looks good out there and is the least of our problems. I have no idea how its felt in the locker room.

I am probably ok with keeping Lupul if he can't be traded, but what would constitute a terrible return for a guy who can't stay off the IR, making 5m+ and has a .42 PPG?

but honestly, i think that's Jake's big flaw. he's a v. slow thinker.

All the tools, no toolbox. I have never really thought seriously about him being a winger, but at this point, why not?

 

[showtime8]

I am probably ok with keeping Lupul if he can't be traded, but what would constitute a terrible return for a guy who can't stay off the IR, making 5m+ and has a .42 PPG?



All the tools, no toolbox. I have never really thought seriously about him being a winger, but at this point, why not?

Have you even noticed Lupul in the last 10-20 games?

I don't think the point would be to sell high on him, I think the point is to get rid of him as soon as possible because the return isn't going to be that different than if you traded him now.

 

[Teeder9]

Have you even noticed Lupul in the last 10-20 games?

I don't think the point would be to sell high on him, I think the point is to get rid of him as soon as possible because the return isn't going to be that different than if you traded him now.

Not really understanding your post unless you meant to quote someone else? I'm actually in agreement that he should be traded

 

[showtime8]

Not really understanding your post unless you meant to quote someone else? I'm actually in agreement that he should be traded

Just agreeing with you and adding to it.

Lupul has been invisible for a long time. I guess it was more of a statement than a question.

Holding on to see if you get a little bit better return isn't the right idea with him.

 

[Teeder9]

Just agreeing with you and adding to it.

Lupul has been invisible for a long time. I guess it was more of a statement than a question.

Holding on to see if you get a little bit better return isn't the right idea with him.

Absolutely. The idea that he offers vet leadership is not the reason he should be here next season. No one wanting him should be. he offers nothing else for 5m and at this point, he is just as much an anchor as Clarkson was

 

[Nithoniniel]

Just agreeing with you and adding to it.

Lupul has been invisible for a long time. I guess it was more of a statement than a question.

Holding on to see if you get a little bit better return isn't the right idea with him.

To be honest, Kessel blows Lupul out of the water in terms of effort these last few weeks. There's not a player on the team that has given up the season as visibly as Lupul.

 

[showtime8]

To be honest, Kessel blows Lupul out of the water in terms of effort these last few weeks. There's not a player on the team that has given up the season as visibly as Lupul.

I think it's a list of many things that have added to the eventual departure of Lupul.

This is the final straw with Lupul as a Maple Leaf.

 

[Cor]

It's bad when Reimer and Bernier appear to be playing a game of "no, you can play"

 

[91Kadri91*]

You must only watch Leaf games

That would be a waste of the 110 dollars I paid for hockeystreams.

 

[Darkside Blue]

all i know is that when he first joined vets were calling him silver fox for is play under pressure

not sure what's changed since then but for me it at least indicates he's capable in the right conditions

It wasn't silver fox, it was silver stick. You get a silver stick for playing 1,000 games in the NHL, and when Jake first came to the Leafs, he played like he'd been in the league for years, so calm.

 

[LV*]

You clearly don't watch much hockey.

LMFAO you're looking at "advanced stats" and saying Gardiner is good... You know what? **** advanced stats, I can tell with my eyes that Jake Gardiner is awful, I hope he gets better

 

[burpsalot]

I find it hilarious reading a lot of this. Panic sales, sell low proposals and far fetched scenarios but the worst... People now finally admitting that the 1st line is a liability and make the D look worse than they when I have been saying it for years in here and been ripped on for it.

Just get rid of Bozak and Kessel and you don't have to do much more right away. Maybe Lupul and Robidas but if Lupul has a terrible return forget it. I imagine Kadri will be gone by request which is sad and hope I am wrong.

I think Dion deserves full value back in a return. He looks good out there and is the least of our problems. I have no idea how its felt in the locker room.

What would we do without the Kadri lover & hater posts eating up 95% of the forum?

 

[burpsalot]

Gardiner has one bone head lapse each game, we have to eliminate that & then he could be one of the best on the team. (a little more physical would be good too)

I find it much easier to teach a D how to play his men properly & properly positioning himself, rather than trying to teach a D about controlling the puck & not panicking. He's definitely a keeper, just the D coaches project.

 

[selltrade]

Hopefully it was for that and not that he's lost his mind like the Leafs other Silver Fox, Burke.

fixed it for you

 

[SeaOfBlue]

It's bad when Reimer and Bernier appear to be playing a game of "no, you can play"

I know. I mean, we haven't heard either of them speak out about being laid out every night. They just take it and try to stop them, and honestly, both look better than their stats show. Even then, Bernier is 31st in the league in .SVV% (and that includes some B.S. backups that barely make the eligibility).

Our team is in the craps, but I honestly feel like it won't do anything to our players value. If teams seriously want our guys, they know what they are getting, and they will hardly even include this past season as a judge of what they're getting. Only player teams should be a little hesitant about paying full price in cap and/or assets is Lupul (due to injuries only, and even then, we'd factor that into our asking price as we have been). Phaneuf is a sch-midge too high in cap, but a team that really wants him won't care, and we'd be taking a cap dump anyways.

After the first couple days of the offseason, we'll get a weight off, and peace and serenity will be attained

 

[Bluejaysfan*]

Would you guys entertain retaining $2 million on Phaneuf's deal if it brought back say Drasaitl from the Oilers? It was brought up on the Oilers board a while back and most said the only way they'd give up Leon was if the Leafs ate $2-3 million on DP's deal. I would retain it no questions asked.

 

[showtime8]

Would you guys entertain retaining $2 million on Phaneuf's deal if it brought back say Drasaitl from the Oilers? It was brought up on the Oilers board a while back and most said the only way they'd give up Leon was if the Leafs ate $2-3 million on DP's deal. I would retain it no questions asked.

That's tough.

You're retaining 2-3 mill for the next 6 years then. 18 mill to get Phaneuf off the books and get Drasaitl? How good do you see him being and how bad do you want Dion gone?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

That's tough.

You're retaining 2-3 mill for the next 6 years then. 18 mill to get Phaneuf off the books and get Drasaitl? How good do you see him being and how bad do you want Dion gone?

What else would we get also? I mean, if we got that, and then a couple of good picks, I'd probably do it.


Leon Draisaitl
1st round pick 2015 (PIT)
2nd round pick 2015 (EDM)


Dion Phaneuf (@5 million)
Fabrice Herzog

 

[Pyromaniac3]

What else would we get also? I mean, if we got that, and then a couple of good picks, I'd probably do it.


Leon Draisaitl
1st round pick 2015 (PIT)
2nd round pick 2015 (EDM)


Dion Phaneuf (@5 million)
Fabrice Herzog

I think we are asking for too much. Leon and 3rd should be enough for us. Maybe we could even reduce salary retained.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Gardiner has one bone head lapse each game, we have to eliminate that & then he could be one of the best on the team. (a little more physical would be good too)

I find it much easier to teach a D how to play his men properly & properly positioning himself, rather than trying to teach a D about controlling the puck & not panicking. He's definitely a keeper, just the D coaches project.

I think it'll help once he gets a system that works too. Carlyle liked cheating defensively for offense and Horachek is the worst coach on the face of the earth. Different players will hopefully help too.

I think he still needs to work out a few kinks. He does make some defensive mistakes (64 giveaways so far this year, which is 4 less than last year with 8 fewer games played), but he will hopefully improve in those types of areas. Same with his Fenwick and Corsi. I don't mind seeing him (and Kadri) being moved for the right price, but if we keep them, I won't be disappointed either. Both have bright futures, even if it's just as a very good 2nd line center or a very good 2nd pairing/2D/1PP defenseman. For 4 mill, that's an amazing output.

 

[thewave]

I think we are asking for too much. Leon and 3rd should be enough for us. Maybe we could even reduce salary retained.

Dion probably won't waive to go to Edmonton. Wasn't it said he blocked a trade and the speculation was it was Edmonton.

 

[threeGo]

That's tough.

You're retaining 2-3 mill for the next 6 years then. 18 mill to get Phaneuf off the books and get Drasaitl? How good do you see him being and how bad do you want Dion gone?

I wouldn't be too worried about eating cap on Phaneuf when we'll probably suck for 4 more years and by then the cap will be much higher. We've survived having tucker on the cap all those years so 2-3 years of lost cap space (subtracting the years where we suck) won't hurt too much. Plus draisaitl doesn't costs much less than 7M so we'd be saving money actually instead of keeping Phaneuf.