F Jamiro Reber - Langnau, U20-Elit (2024 Draft)

[GermanSpitfire]

Probably just forgotten by whoever put that file together. I don't have another explanation. Even Swiss players who have zero business of being on that list and who are never gonna get drafted like Pedrazzini or Metzger got the new W rating. Not for a minute do I believe Central Scouting scouts are actually convinced that those guys are more promising prospects than Reber.

He isn’t the only one, Noel Fransen and Riley Patterson were left off completely too.

 

[Hinterland]

He isn’t the only one, Noel Fransen and Riley Patterson were left off completely too.

No Jordan Forget either. I understand that his start with Shawinigan could have been better but to leave the two most talented draft eligible Swiss forwards off the list while putting several others on it is interesting at the very least.

 

[pgfan66]

No Jordan Forget either. I understand that his start with Shawinigan could have been better but to leave the two most talented draft eligible Swiss forwards off the list while putting several others on it is interesting at the very least.

Jordan is easy to Forget

 

[Kuracmugger]

Probably just forgotten by whoever put that file together. I don't have another explanation. Even Swiss players who have zero business of being on that list and who are never gonna get drafted like Pedrazzini or Metzger got the new W rating. Not for a minute do I believe Central Scouting scouts are actually convinced that those guys are more promising prospects than Reber.

Agree with those stats in the j20 nationell and a good u18 tournament i am pretty sure he’ll get drafted.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

The Central Scouting list gets too much attention. They are one company with an opinion. No more knowledgeable than Athletic or Dobber or any of the companies that put out lists.

 

[Hinterland]

He's gonna be with the Swiss U20 team, not the U18 team for the upcoming November tournaments.

Probably a pretty good indication that he's in their plans for the WJC20.

Antenen and Giger are with the U18 team so their chances are probably not as good as Reber's but interestingly, Muggli, Ponzetto and Forget are on neither team. Probably didn't get released by their clubs.

 

[Speyer]

He's gonna be with the Swiss U20 team, not the U18 team for the upcoming November tournaments.

Probably a pretty good indication that he's in their plans for the WJC20.

Antenen and Giger are with the U18 team so their chances are probably not as good as Reber's but interestingly, Muggli, Ponzetto and Forget are on neither team. Probably didn't get released by their clubs.

Its pretty normal that the CHL guys don‘t come over for those november tournaments. I am pretty surprised about Muggli though. But if its any indication for his standing with Zug it might actually be a good sign. He should be a lock for the WJC at this point.

 

[SOLR]

He's Jamming at the WJC

 

[BigToe]

Just scored a Michigan

 

[Kuracmugger]

Is he a lock to get drafted? the stats would suggest so, but it will probably come down to how he plays in the u18 worlds i assume.

 

[Speyer]

Is he a lock to get drafted? the stats would suggest so, but it will probably come down to how he plays in the u18 worlds i assume.

I don't think he is. I mean his skating, IQ, vision, passing and hands combine for a skill set of a player that obviously should be drafted. And he is one of the youngest players in his draft class too. But apparently scouts are really wary of his size. Its especially telling how low NHL central scouting europe has rated him. On their list he is outside the range where players usually get drafted and even behind some clearly less talented Swiss overagers. Then his shot isn't exactly a strength either and I have also some question marks about his offensive consistency. Maybe some scouts just think he is in an awkward position with his skill set: Not talented enough for a consistent top 6 role on an NHL team and not physical enough for the bottom six. Still it only takes one of 32 to like him and he is of the draft board this summer. But a good or even outstanding U18's would certainly help his case a lot.

 

[Hinterland]

I don't think he is. I mean his skating, IQ, vision, passing and hands combine for a skill set of a player that obviously should be drafted. And he is one of the youngest players in his draft class too. But apparently scouts are really wary of his size. Its especially telling how low NHL central scouting europe has rated him. On their list he is outside the range where players usually get drafted and even behind some clearly less talented Swiss overagers. Then his shot isn't exactly a strength either and I have also some question marks about his offensive consistency. Maybe some scouts just think he is in an awkward position with his skill set: Not talented enough for a consistent top 6 role on an NHL team and not physical enough for the bottom six. Still it only takes one of 32 to like him and he is of the draft board this summer. But a good or even outstanding U18's would certainly help his case a lot.

Yeah, him being too soft has always been the knock on him. He's also not particularly good defensively. He does play on the PK but he does so more because of his speed than his play against the puck or faceoff strength. I feel like he needs to either dominate the WJC18 offensively or demonstrate a much improved overall game if he wants to get drafted.

I called Roost crazy for even mentioning Jan Dorthe in NHL draft context but I'm starting to believe that there is a world where Dorthe does get drafted and Reber does not. I'm not sure if it's gonna be our world but I wouldn't rule it out any longer. His scoring is trending up quite a bit this year, he was a vital part of his team avoiding relegation. Very similar size but unlike Reber, Dorthe is tough as nails, a proficient two way Center and faceoff specialist. Reber has more points but Dorthe is trending better and has scored more goals. He also played in the Allsvenskan while Reber did not. I think the only reason why Reber may still be ahead of Dorthe is the fact that Dorthe is one of the oldest and Reber one of the youngest of their draft class.

Reber's season wasn't bad but he probably needs to show something more at the WJC18.

 

[Speyer]

Yeah, him being too soft has always been the knock on him. He's also not particularly good defensively. He does play on the PK but he does more because of his speed than his play against the puck or faceoff strength. I feel like he needs to either dominate the WJC18 offensively or demonstrate a much improved overall game if he wants to get drafted.

He does have a good motor and he is tenacious on the fore and back check. He is even pretty nifty getting a takeaway through a stick lift every now and then. The issue is just that he gets outmuscled all the time.

I called Roost crazy for even mentioning Jan Dorthe in NHL draft context but I'm starting to believe that there is a world where Dorthe does get drafted and Reber does not. I'm not sure if it's gonna be our world but I wouldn't rule it out any longer. His scoring is trending up quite a bit this year, he was a vital part of his team avoiding relegation. Very similar size but unlike Reber, Dorthe is tough as nails, a proficient two way Center and faceoff specialist. Reber has more points but Dorthe is trending better and has scored more goals. He also played in the Allsvenskan while Reber did not. I think the only reason why Reber may still be ahead of Dorthe is the fact that Dorthe is gonna be one of the oldest and Reber one of the youngest of that draft class.

Reber's season wasn't bad but he probably needs to show something more at the WJC18.

I still don't see it for Dorthe personally. For one his offense is still really lacking. I mean even Rebers raw numbers were not particularly impressive compared to other players. Jesper Bratt for instance was a PPG player in this league in his draft minus one season and then had pretty good numbers in the Allvenskan in his draft year. And he got picked in the sixth round. Dorthe (and Reber) are nowhere near that. But Reber has at least has somewhat of an international resume playing pretty decent at the Ivan Hlinka and U18's before. And scoring on a pretty decent rate for the junior national teams in general. Then he is almost a year younger than Dorthe as well. Sure Dorthe is a better two way player. But you can find players of this type a dime a dozen in the CHL. Probably with better size or more offensive upside too. If Reber gets drafted its because a team is swinging for the fences in regard to his offensive upside.

 

[Hinterland]

He does have a good motor and he is tenacious on the fore and back check. He is even pretty nifty getting a takeaway through a stick lift every now and then. The issue is just that he gets outmuscled all the time.



I still don't see it for Dorthe personally. For one his offense is still really lacking. I mean even Rebers raw numbers were not particularly impressive in the Swedish U20 league. Jesper Bratt for instance was a PPG player in this league in his draft minus one season and then had pretty good numbers in the Allvenskan in his draft year. And he got picked in the sixth round. Dorthe (and Reber) are nowhere near that. But Reber has at least has somewhat of an international resume playing pretty decent at the Ivan Hlinka and U18's before. And he is almost a year younger than Dorthe as well. Sure Dorthe is a better two way player. But you can find players of this type a dime a dozen in the CHL. Probably with better size or more offensive upside too. If Reber gets drafted its because a team is swinging for the fences in regard to his offensive upside.

Jesper Bratt is a winger and was about as soft as Reber is now. He's become stronger and more intense but he's still kinda soft. Also he would go much earlier in a redraft.

Jan Dorthe is a Center and extremely gritty. He doesn't shy away from contact the way Reber does and the way Bratt did at the time. Even in the CHL, not many first year draft eligible kids do play Center in prominent roles. CHL kids mostly play wing for the first year or two. And if they do play Center, they do so in limited, if not sheltered roles. The draft eligible kids who play top6 roles let alone shoulder heavy defensive workloads are rare. If you look at CHL teams, especially top teams, the Center spots are filled with mostly extremely veteran players, if not overagers. I'm not gonna say that Dorthe is gonna get drafted but there's a chance.

So the fact that Reber played Center in a top6 role is actually kinda important. I'm not sure he would have if he played in the CHL. For most teams he probably wouldn't have. Is it enough to get drafted? We'll see.

 

[Speyer]

Jesper Bratt is a winger and was about as soft as Reber is now. He's become stronger and more intense but he's still kinda soft.

He might not be the grittiest player but he is a fairly prolific PK'er in the NHL. Lets see if Dorthe can match that in the future. I also don't think that the value bonus that comes from being a center matters nearly as much in the later rounds as it does for blue chip prospects.

Also he would go much earlier in a redraft.

That has probably more to do with how his development exploded after the draft. He was still taken where he was with the draft season he had.

Jan Dorthe is a Center and extremely gritty. He doesn't shy away from contact the way Reber does and the way Bratt did at the time. Even in the CHL, not many first year draft eligible kids do play Center in prominent roles. CHL kids mostly play wing for the first year or two. And if they do play Center, they do so in limited, if not sheltered roles.

Dorthe is 05 born though. Thats one year more of competitive hockey under his belt than most of his his peers born in 06 have. Also in every Canadian major junior league its harder to play Center than in Sweden, you said that yourself. I am not even questioning his two way play, but his whole package. In todays NHL even fourth liners are expected to chip in some offense. And a lot of bottom six players that are in the League right now were just way ahead of Dorthe offensively at the same age. Its not like he brings a six 6'2+ ft frame to the table either which is still valued in the draft. Especially for a purely defensive player that is. I mean if Knak (in his first year of eligibility) or Rochette can't get drafted how could Dorthe? I know they are different player types but overall they just brought more to the table in their draft year.

So the fact that Reber played Center in a top6 role is actually kinda important. I'm not sure he would have if he played in the CHL. For most teams he probably wouldn't have. Is it enough to get drafted? We'll see.

The fact that he played center might very well be factored into his assessment. But even if he gets drafted, I highly doubt his team would expect him to become a center at the NHL level long term. With his size/physicality you just don't get there unless you are Jack Hughes.

 

[Hinterland]

He might not be the grittiest player but he is a fairly prolific PK'er in the NHL. Lets see if Dorthe can match that in the future. I also don't think that the value bonus that comes from being a center matters nearly as much in the later rounds as it does for blue chip prospects.


That has probably more to do with how his development exploded after the draft. He was still taken where he was with the draft season he had.


Dorthe is 05 born though. Thats one year more of competitive hockey under his belt than most of his his peers born in 06 have. Also in every Canadian major junior league its harder to play Center than in Sweden, you said that yourself. I am not even questioning his two way play, but his whole package. In todays NHL even fourth liners are expected to chip in some offense. And a lot of bottom six players that are in the League right now were just way ahead of Dorthe offensively at the same age. Its not like he brings a six 6'2+ ft frame to the table either which is still valued in the draft. Especially for a purely defensive player that is. I mean if Knak (in his first year of eligibility) or Rochette can't get drafted how could Dorthe? I know they are different player types but overall they just brought more to the table in their draft year.




The fact that he played center might very well be factored into his assessment. But even if he gets drafted, I highly doubt his team would expect him to become a center at the NHL level long term. With his size/physicality you just don't get there unless you are Jack Hughes.

Teams are always looking for reliable Centers. Jiri Felcman was a 3rd round pick despite being a player with very limited offense. Yes, he's much bigger but not quite as gifted as Dorthe and certainly not as gifted as Reber.

Dorthe's scoring is actually very respectable for a shutdown Center. He scored 18 goals in the J20 and I believe most of them in 2024. He also scored a Michigan (airhook) last season for Fribourg. He's got some very fine hands for a role player. The main concern with Dorthe is gonna be size...he's gritty but teams may fear he's not quite big enough for the way he wants to play.

A year ago I was 100% sure Reber would get drafted and Dorthe would not. That has changed drastically. That's essentially the point of my initial post. I still think that Reber has better odds but it's no longer all that clear. Dorthe is trending better.

 

[Speyer]

A year ago I was 100% sure Reber would get drafted and Dorthe would not. That has changed drastically. That's essentially the point of my initial post. I still think that Reber has better odds but it's no longer all that clear. Dorthe is trending better.

Yeah I don't disagree with you in general. Particularly Rebers chances to be drafted seem lower than I expected as well. And he didn't even have a bad season so far, particularly for the junior national teams. I guess the physical part of his game is just a big red flag to a lot of scouts. And while I don't disagree on your perspective on Dorthe as a player either I just don't think his skill set is attractive enough to NHL teams to get drafted. I feel that there was also a slight bias from NHL teams against "lower end" Swiss prospects in the last few years two. You could see it when Knak (2020), Rochette, Canonica De Luca etc. were not drafted. Now it could just be a conicidence but I don't believe that it is. And if such a bias really exists, it doesn't exactly make Dorthes outlook any better.

 

[Hinterland]

Yeah I don't disagree with you in general. Particularly Rebers chances to be drafted seem lower than I expected as well. And he didn't even have a bad season so far, particularly for the junior national teams. I guess the physical part of his game is just a big red flag to a lot of scouts. And while I don't disagree on your perspective on Dorthe as a player either I just don't think his skill set is attractive enough to NHL teams to get drafted. I feel that there was also a slight bias from NHL teams against "lower end" Swiss prospects in the last few years two. You could see it when Knak (2020), Rochette, Canonica De Luca etc. were not drafted. Now it could just be a conicidence but I don't believe that it is. And if such a bias really exists, it doesn't exactly make Dorthes outlook any better.

The bias (rightfully) exists because too many Swiss born players just fled back to Switzerland at first chance when things didn't go their way. I can understand them because the NL is a good and especially a very convenient league due to high salaries and very limited travelling but by painting a very poor picture of Swiss hockey players they're not exactly helping their younger countrymen trying to get drafted or earn an NHL contract. I think if you're not willing to give NA a good go, and that, for most players, does include spending time in the AHL, then you might as well not even try. Doesn't mean you have stick in the AHL for years and no good reason but most Swiss born players just give up too early. Hofmann is the best example for that. He didn't even play in the AHL. He went back to Switzerland because of his wife and their baby. While I understand his situation he also knew all of this when he signed his NHL contract. Just not a good look.