Expectations for team Finland in futures best of the best tournaments?

Mahonkinen

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The title says it. What kind of expectations do you have for future? Its obvious that our youth program has taken a step to the right direction, but prospects are just prospects, never know how they gonna plan out. Ofc we have MiG, Barkov and Määttä/Vatanen showing what they can do in international games. But do we have a realistic chances to lets say rise to the top 4 in quality(paper wise) in future?

Future drafts are looking better and better. Well atleast 2016. So in 2022 olympics can we expect our boys to deliver? Or maybe even allready in 2018?

Sry for typos, writing via mobile.
 

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If even half of our 1st/2nd forward prospects pan out and Pokka/Ristolainen/Honka/Lindell and some of the other guys develop in to NHL d-man, future is looking very bright.
 

JJTT

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Realistic depth chart for 2018

LW

Ma.Granlund
Korpikoski
Komarov
Keränen
Salomäki
Lehkonen
Bergenheim
Joensuu
Ruutu
Hartikainen
Pihlström
Osala
Mäenalanen
Rantanen
Aho
M.Aaltonen
H.Ikonen

C

Barkov
Koivu
Granlund
Teräväinen
Filppula
Kontiola
Haula
Lehterä
Saarela
Nättinen
Wirtanen

RW

Pulkkinen
Aaltonen
Salminen
Pakarinen
Puustinen
Palola
Donskoi
Armia
Kapanen
Jormakka
Laine
Puljujärvi

LD

Määttä
Jokipakka
Järvinen
Lepistö
Salmela
Melart
Lindell
Vainonen
Kivistö
Ohtamaa
Juolevi
Vaakanainen
(Kukkonen)
(Väänänen)

RD

Ristolainen
Vatanen
Pokka
Honka
Hietanen
Hakanpää
Vainio
Saarijärvi
Taimi

Looks better than it did few years ago.
 
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Erikfromfin

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2018 might be still too early although things happen fast in hockey but 2022 we could have massive team. Aleksander Barkov entered the map sometime in 2011/2012 and was number one center in 2014 so its impossible to predict future when your number one center enters the frame 2 years before olympics. My futuristic hypotetical team for future could be from players after 09 draft only.

Teuvo Teräväinen - Aleksander Barkov'C' - Jesse Puljujärvi
Patrik Laine - Mikael Granlund'A' - Kasperi Kapanen
Artturi Lehkonen - Markus Granlund - Teemu Pulkkinen
Henri Ikonen - Erik Haula - Miika Salomäki
Joel Armia
Aleksi Saarela

Urho Vaakanainen - Rasmus Ristolainen'A'
Olli Määttä - Sami Vatanen
Esa Lindell - Ville Pokka
Julius Honka
Mikko Vainonen

Juuse Saros
Joni Ortio
Sami Aittokallio

and the surplus
+ K.Kähkönen, V.Husso, T.Eronen, J.Ikonen, J.Hakanpää J.Rask, S.Mäenalanen, J.Nättinen, J.Donskoi, I.Pakarinen, J.Korpisalo, M.Aaltonen and many more.

Definetly exciting future ahead.
 

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Some of my favorite young players at the moment, perhaps a few of them will attend the 2022 Olympics: :)

Mikko Rantanen (-96) - Aleksander Barkov (-95) - Patrik Laine (-98)
Artturi Lehkonen (-95) - Mikael Granlund (-92) - Markus Nurmi (-98)
Markus Granlund (-93) - Teuvo Teräväinen (-94) - Joel Armia (-93)
Kristian Vesalainen (-99) - Otto Mäkinen (-98) - Jesse Puljujärvi (-98)
Roope Hintz (-96) - Julius Nättinen (-97) - Kasperi Kapanen (-96)

Olli Määttä (-94) - Sami Vatanen (-91)
Olli Juolevi (-98) - Rasmus Ristolainen (-94)
Markus Niemeläinen (-98) - Julius Honka (-95)
Juuso Välimäki (-98) - Veeti Vainio (-97)
Urho Vaakanainen (-99) -Vili Saarijärvi (-97)

Goalies are a big question mark, there doesn't seem to be new Tuukka Rask's or Kari Lehtonen's on the horizon. Hopefully that'll change, Team Finland needs a great netminder to have a chance of success.
 

Gaps

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The title says it. What kind of expectations do you have for future? Its obvious that our youth program has taken a step to the right direction, but prospects are just prospects, never know how they gonna plan out. Ofc we have MiG, Barkov and Määttä/Vatanen showing what they can do in international games. But do we have a realistic chances to lets say rise to the top 4 in quality(paper wise) in future?

Future drafts are looking better and better. Well atleast 2016. So in 2022 olympics can we expect our boys to deliver? Or maybe even allready in 2018?

Sry for typos, writing via mobile.

2018 might come a bit too early for most of them. I very much hope that NHL players will even be allowed to go, but I don't think it's looking good in that regard. I do hope I end up being wrong about this, I really do.

Anyway, if NHL players end up going in 2018, the only youngsters with more or less certain spots are the ones who were already in Sochi + Ristolainen. It's particularly difficult to predict the forwards, especially the wingers. Most likely the older ones will still take preference and some centers like Filppula and Granlund will play wing. I could potentially see 1 or 2 young wingers taking spots but not more than that.
 

JJTT

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2018 might come a bit too early for most of them. I very much hope that NHL players will even be allowed to go, but I don't think it's looking good in that regard. I do hope I end up being wrong about this, I really do.

Anyway, if NHL players end up going in 2018, the only youngsters with more or less certain spots are the ones who were already in Sochi + Ristolainen. It's particularly difficult to predict the forwards, especially the wingers. Most likely the older ones will still take preference and some centers like Filppula and Granlund will play wing. I could potentially see 1 or 2 young wingers taking spots but not more than that.

Yep, not much changes for South Korea, I think. Hietanen will be only like 32 so very likely to be there still. Lepistö could too. So are Lehterä, Kontiola, and Komarov. Even Väänänen and Kukkonen could be there as they are 36/37 then.

So:

MIG-Barkov-X
Filppula-Koivu-X
X-Teräväinen-X
Korpikoski-Haula-Komarov

Lehterä/Kontiola, Salomäki/Ruutu

Määttä-Ristolainen
X-Vatanen
X-Hietanen
X-X

Rask
Saros
X
 

Erikfromfin

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4 years at this point seems like eternity for a guy like Mikko Koivu. His legs have been slowing year after year and i find it hard to imagine he would be top2 center even as soon as if world cup was played in 2016. Barkov for sure will be ahead and barring winger situation is good Granlund/Filppula will be ahead and then you have Haula/Teräväinen/Lehterä/Kontiola this and that breathing on Mikko, he might find his way back as 4th line center going to Korea.
 
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Gaps

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4 years at this point seems like eternity for a guy like Mikko Koivu. His legs have been slowing year after year and i find it hard to imagine he would be top2 center even as soon as if world cup was played in 2016. Barkov for sure will be ahead and barring winger situation is good Granlund/Filppula will be ahead and then you have Haula/Teräväinen/Lehterä/Kontiola this and that breathing on Mikko, he might find his way back as 4th line center going to Korea.

Your exaggerated pessimism is baffling. I'm willing to bet my vCash that he will be on the 2nd or 3rd line in Korea, if he's allowed to go, that is. 2016? He could very well still be #1.
 

Erikfromfin

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Your exaggerated pessimism is baffling. I'm willing to bet my vCash that he will be on the 2nd or 3rd line in Korea, if he's allowed to go, that is. 2016? He could very well still be #1.

Well its not pessimism towards Koivu but might just be real life fact. He will be near 35 years of age at Korea. For long time our national team has leaned on the same individuals like Saku Koivu and co but things have changed now. We are producing more and more top end talent and hockey is becoming young mans game. Koivu will be still in the mix for long time but the younger guys are pushing him.
 

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Watched the 6th game live of the Chicago series and Koivu seemed pretty sluggish. Can't compare to prior games of season but he was idd slow. Tiredness, injury... who knows, hopefully.
 

JJTT

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Watched the 6th game live of the Chicago series and Koivu seemed pretty sluggish. Can't compare to prior games of season but he was idd slow. Tiredness, injury... who knows, hopefully.

I think he should lose some weight, skating at 102kg pretty hard compared 90kg.
 

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We'll be good in the future, next 2-3 years will be painful as our youth wont quite be there but after that we'll be stronger than ever before.

Now we've foug for medals and overachieved, by outfighting basically. In the future we wont have to battle so hard, so we'll be more competitive, but at the same time we might have less fight in us leading to less medals. Who knows.
 

Erikfromfin

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We'll be good in the future, next 2-3 years will be painful as our youth wont quite be there but after that we'll be stronger than ever before.

Now we've foug for medals and overachieved, by outfighting basically. In the future we wont have to battle so hard, so we'll be more competitive, but at the same time we might have less fight in us leading to less medals. Who knows.

Yea i agree with your point. With lesser team the compete level has always been high but when you have all star stuffed team it doesnt always go the right way. Like we saw with Rindells 2013 WJC with guys like Barkov, Ma.Granlund, Teräväinen, Määttä, Ristolainen, Pokka, Salomäki, Armia and co we went to relegation round.

Its good that we have all kinds of prospects coming up tho.
Theres big twoway center behemoth in Barkov
Theres small playmaking forwards in Granlund/Teräväinen
Theres fast speedy twoway wingers in Kapanen/Lehkonen and co
Theres selfish dribblers even in Joel Armia
Theres (Hopefully) big snipers in Puljujärvi/Laine, thats something we havent had since Jari Kurri
Theres versatility forwards for other positions and physical players for bottom six aswell
In defence Theres small offensive guys in Vatanen/Honka
Theres twoway defenders in guys like Määttä/Pokka and co...
Theres big physical punishing behemoth with big slapper in Ristolainen
and goaltending situation has always been good is good and will be.

Only thing i dont see coming is the next Tuomo Ruutu. That sort of top6 potential forward that can also physically punish. The sort of Canadas Jamie Benn, Swedens Landeskog or Usas Dustin Brown. Salomäki and Hartikainen and co are closest but they dont have that top6 offensive potential. And secondly maybe one true penalty killing big defensman specialist. The next Toni Lydman/Lasse Kukkonen. Joonas Järvinen 25 year old is probabply closest.
 

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Only thing i dont see coming is the next Tuomo Ruutu. That sort of top6 potential forward that can also physically punish.

Aleksi Saarela. Already very good physically and I think he'll become very close to a similar player to Tuomo Ruutu. They actually have a lot in common stylewise.
 

JJTT

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Aleksi Saarela. Already very good physically and I think he'll become very close to a similar player to Tuomo Ruutu. They actually have a lot in common stylewise.

Yeah kinda. Mäenalanen or Lammikko could also develop into something.
 

FiLe

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For 2018, I think it looks highly doubtful we'll have any guys born past '95 in the squad. It's simple age demographics - our 80-borns won't be out of the game yet and there'll be enough talent with classes 90-95 that you don't have to consider the new kids taking their first strides.

Here's how I see it, not necessarily position by position, but more like player type by player type.


Goalies: No worries here. All of the names we currently have in the NHL won't be older than 35 (save for Bäckström) - with some good picks in their prime. Rask will be carrying the squad, but we also have good frames in Ortio, Raanta, Aittokallio - and Saros.

Top-4 d-men, lefties: Määttä is the only top shelf talent. Currently it looks like anybody's guess whether Pitkänen still plays. For depth, we have Lepistö, Salmela, Mäenpää, perhaps Kivistö will develop into something... not ideal, but serviceable if we don't have to take more than two.

Top-4 d-men, righties: Looking good here. We have Ristolainen, Vatanen and Pokka on tier 1. Hietanen and perhaps Lajunen on tier 2. Julius Honka is a name to watch, but something tells me that it'll be too soon for him, and we do have enough depth here.

Stay-at-home d-men: None top-shelf, but a wide and deep pool of serviceable creatures. Kukkonen will be 36. Väänänen at 38 might be too old. Then there's Järvinen, Melart, Jaakola and maybe something developing in Jokipakka and Hakanpää. Plus some additional names in the KHL like Ohtamaa and Jalasvaara who might become options in a pinch.

Centers: Top-shelf talent galore. Barkov, MiG, Teräväinen, Filppula, Koivu, Kontiola, Lehterä... and then there're utility guys like Haula and MaG. Listing the 4th line stereotypes doesn't feel appropiate, since the depth is pretty interchangeable and it'll even be in question if we need any, since all our top-shelf guys will fit the role too.

Scoring wingers: This is where we're hurting, as usual. There's not a single surefire 50+ point guy in sight. Pulkkinen and Armia may develop into something, but currently it takes a bit optimistic view to see them actually get there. Keränen? Kasperi Kapanen maybe, but 2018 will be too soon methinks. Depth options include J.Jokinen and the usual euro suspects Aaltonen and Salminen.

Grinders: Oh-so-many. Komarov leads the pack, with Korpikoski, Bergenheim, Hartikainen and who else following close behind. Joensuu, Salomäki... even Pihlström won't be age-old. Too many to list 'em all.


Bottom line: I fully expect a better team than in Sochi (if the NHL decides to go, knock on wood) - but if it's going to be the best we've ever iced on paper (currently, that mantle is held by the 2004 World Cup team), we need guys like Pulkkinen and Armia to top out the expectations.


2022 is a crapshoot at this stage.
 

Erikfromfin

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Theres no proper Finland national team changes thread so posting here. Was great move for team Finland getting Jussi to play alongside Barkov that will help in future tournaments. Jokinen - Barkov - Granlund looks like could be set olympic level line. Bergenheim does well with Sasha in cycle game in the NHL but a shooter/finisher is excactly what Sasha needed.

In Chicago Teuvo got screwed a bit for atleast a year. It was obvious this spring he wasnt ready to the Blackhawks or Mens national team them signing Richards will give him more time to grow his game in lesser role.
 

Periwinkle

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I love these threads just for the hindsight in years to come when (unfortunately) some will bust and then we'll have some guys who push themselves to the top outside the expectations.:)

Oskar Osala, anyone?
 

FiLe

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In Chicago Teuvo got screwed a bit for atleast a year. It was obvious this spring he wasnt ready to the Blackhawks or Mens national team them signing Richards will give him more time to grow his game in lesser role.
If TT plays well enough, there's actually a roster spot in the Hawks for him despite Richards. But if he doesn't, it's no disaster neither for the kid nor the club.

And while I agree that he was a bit raw for the Show last spring, he showed he was fully ready to take on men's international ice. Erkka simply had his priorities elsewhere. Luckily there's no point in that debate anymore, it's water under the bridge now.

I love these threads just for the hindsight in years to come when (unfortunately) some will bust and then we'll have some guys who push themselves to the top outside the expectations.
Heh, yeah. At this moment a wise person does not take into account a single individual born after '95, and even most of them and some older are still in question.

We can always say though that going by sheer statistical probability, we should have enough names to ice a competitive squad in 2018. We just don't know who they all are yet.
 

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