Hawkey Town 18
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This was recently discussed in the Messier vs. Esposito thread, but I thought it deserved it's own thread for easy reference...Here is how Phil Esposito did scoring-wise in games that Bobby Orr did not play in compared to games that Bobby Orr did play in.
The last row of each table labeled "Season Total w/o Orr" uses the "w/o Orr" per game numbers to project a full season total.
1967-68*
| GP | G | A | Pts | P/G
Without Orr | 27 | 8 | 24 | 32 | 1.185
With Orr | 47 | 27 | 25 | 52 | 1.106
Real Season Total | 74 | 35 | 49 | 84 | 1.135
Season Total w/o Orr | 74 | 21.9 | 65.8 | 87.7 |*Orr missed 28 games this season, but I was only able to identify 27 of them
1968-69
| GP | G | A | Pts | P/G
Without Orr | 9 | 5 | 9 | 14 | 1.556
With Orr | 65 | 44 | 68 | 112 | 1.723
Real Season Total | 74 | 49 | 77 | 126 | 1.703
Season Total w/o Orr | 74 | 41.1 | 74.0 | 115.1 |
1971-72
| GP | G | A | Pts | P/G
Without Orr | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.000
With Orr | 74 | 66 | 67 | 133 | 1.797
Real Season Total | 76 | 66 | 67 | 133 | 1.750
Season Total w/o Orr | 76 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 |
1972-73
| GP | G | A | Pts | P/G
Without Orr | 15 | 12 | 12 | 24 | 1.600
With Orr | 63 | 43 | 63 | 106 | 1.683
Real Season Total | 78 | 55 | 75 | 130 | 1.667
Season Total w/o Orr | 78 | 62.4 | 62.4 | 124.8 |
1973-74
| GP | G | A | Pts | P/G
Without Orr | 4 | 3 | 2 | 5 | 1.250
With Orr | 74 | 65 | 75 | 140 | 1.892
Real Season Total | 78 | 68 | 77 | 145 | 1.859
Season Total w/o Orr | 78 | 58.5 | 39.0 | 97.5 |
1975-76
| GP | G | A | Pts | P/G
Without Orr | 12 | 6 | 10 | 16 | 1.333
With Orr | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | N/A
Real Season Total | 12 | 6 | 10 | 16 | 1.333
Season Total w/o Orr | 12 | 6.0 | 10.0 | 16.0 |
Total Boston Career
| GP | G | A | Pts | P/G
Without Orr | 69 | 34 | 57 | 91 | 1.319
With Orr | 556 | 425 | 496 | 921 | 1.656
Real Season Total | 625 | 459 | 553 | 1012 | 1.619
Season Total w/o Orr | 625 | 308.0 | 516.3 | 824.3 |
Notes
- Data from http://hsp.flyershistory.com/
- Bobby Orr's injury history from http://bobbyorr.net/
- I did not have information as to any games where both Esposito and Orr did not play. Esposito barely missed any games, so if this occurred it did not happen a lot. The most likely case would be the 2 games in 1971-72. Orr sat out the last two games of the season. I have not found out if Esposito sat those out as well, but I did find evidence that he was playing through a knee injury, and we know that the Bruins had 1st place locked up at that point, so the motive is there. Here is what the Boston Career numbers would look like if you take out those 2 scoreless games...
Total Boston Career
| GP | G | A | Pts | P/G
Without Orr | 67 | 34 | 57 | 91 | 1.358
With Orr | 558 | 425 | 496 | 921 | 1.651
Real Season Total | 625 | 459 | 553 | 1012 | 1.619
Season Total w/o Orr | 625 | 317.2 | 531.7 | 848.9 |
The last row of each table labeled "Season Total w/o Orr" uses the "w/o Orr" per game numbers to project a full season total.
1967-68*
Without Orr | 27 | 8 | 24 | 32 | 1.185
With Orr | 47 | 27 | 25 | 52 | 1.106
Real Season Total | 74 | 35 | 49 | 84 | 1.135
Season Total w/o Orr | 74 | 21.9 | 65.8 | 87.7 |
1968-69
Without Orr | 9 | 5 | 9 | 14 | 1.556
With Orr | 65 | 44 | 68 | 112 | 1.723
Real Season Total | 74 | 49 | 77 | 126 | 1.703
Season Total w/o Orr | 74 | 41.1 | 74.0 | 115.1 |
1971-72
Without Orr | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.000
With Orr | 74 | 66 | 67 | 133 | 1.797
Real Season Total | 76 | 66 | 67 | 133 | 1.750
Season Total w/o Orr | 76 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 |
1972-73
Without Orr | 15 | 12 | 12 | 24 | 1.600
With Orr | 63 | 43 | 63 | 106 | 1.683
Real Season Total | 78 | 55 | 75 | 130 | 1.667
Season Total w/o Orr | 78 | 62.4 | 62.4 | 124.8 |
1973-74
Without Orr | 4 | 3 | 2 | 5 | 1.250
With Orr | 74 | 65 | 75 | 140 | 1.892
Real Season Total | 78 | 68 | 77 | 145 | 1.859
Season Total w/o Orr | 78 | 58.5 | 39.0 | 97.5 |
1975-76
Without Orr | 12 | 6 | 10 | 16 | 1.333
With Orr | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | N/A
Real Season Total | 12 | 6 | 10 | 16 | 1.333
Season Total w/o Orr | 12 | 6.0 | 10.0 | 16.0 |
Total Boston Career
Without Orr | 69 | 34 | 57 | 91 | 1.319
With Orr | 556 | 425 | 496 | 921 | 1.656
Real Season Total | 625 | 459 | 553 | 1012 | 1.619
Season Total w/o Orr | 625 | 308.0 | 516.3 | 824.3 |
Notes
- Data from http://hsp.flyershistory.com/
- Bobby Orr's injury history from http://bobbyorr.net/
- I did not have information as to any games where both Esposito and Orr did not play. Esposito barely missed any games, so if this occurred it did not happen a lot. The most likely case would be the 2 games in 1971-72. Orr sat out the last two games of the season. I have not found out if Esposito sat those out as well, but I did find evidence that he was playing through a knee injury, and we know that the Bruins had 1st place locked up at that point, so the motive is there. Here is what the Boston Career numbers would look like if you take out those 2 scoreless games...
Total Boston Career
Without Orr | 67 | 34 | 57 | 91 | 1.358
With Orr | 558 | 425 | 496 | 921 | 1.651
Real Season Total | 625 | 459 | 553 | 1012 | 1.619
Season Total w/o Orr | 625 | 317.2 | 531.7 | 848.9 |