hawksfan50
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Over in the prospects section of the boards on chicagoblackhawks.com,I have been having a raging debate with an alleged paid hockey scout for some nHl team (he won't identify what team-but if he posts there could it be the Blackhawks?) as to whether the best centre in the draft is Turris (my choice) or Esposito (his choice)...
I also state that it is only mid-term and that the other two in the top 4 centres
(Gagner and Couture) have their champions and could rise or fall on the final rankings depending on how well or not all 4 of them play to the end of the year...
In looking at the recent rankings from different scouting services,I pointed out the huge dicrepancy between the ISS (Esposito #10 overall) and CSS (Esposito #1 NA skater) and the closer postioning been then on Turris (ISS #7 overall) CSS #5NA skater) to bolster my forming consensus that TURRIS was the best choice between these two and in my opinion should be the #1 centre taken if I were drafting
--but this guy counters that he is a professional scout,and assures me Esposito would score 150 pts if here were in the BCHL and that Turris was only a big fish in a little pond! He also states that he just spoke with the ISS and gave them his report on Esposito and had convinced them to change their ranking --IS THIS TRUE ISS,or this this guy not telling the truth and just pretending to be a paid scout --though obviously he is a big Esposito lover?
I countered that Kyle Woodlief of Redline really dissed Esposito recently for his indifferent play and let outthat Redline did not have Esposito in its top 3...NOW I see that McKeen's has Esposito at #2 overall --BUT they also have TURRIS at #3 overall--indsicating a pick'em as preferred between the 2 is reasonable either way...
Th stigma obf being "only" a BCHL'er compared to a CHL'er seems to have narrowed in the minds of most scouting services (except for the big issue of ut that this alleged paid scout keeps harping on to defend his boy Esposito against my hunch that Turris will be the better pick).
There are a couple more interesting twists in this fun "debate" (much as he had in debates with the Toews vs. Kessel,vs. Backstrom vs. Staal arguments on the HF boards last year) :
1. Esposito was sick and missed the skills competition held prior to the CHL TOP PROSPECTS GAME..which means IF he stinks in the game tonight he has a ready made excuse for poor play--so I hope that doesn;'happen--if on the other hand he can live upto his hype --maybe I'll consider changing my opinio of him...right now
I agree with the Jan. ISS rank of only the 4th best centre (they have the 10th overall for Esposito;unlike ISS,I place Turris ahead of Couture but I agree Gagner is 3rd best centre ahead of Esposito)...
2. The only possible centres of these 4 who can make Canada's u-18 team for the
World U-18 Championships this spring are TURRIS and GAGNER --the other 2 are too old---and as old hands at this draftnik game well know the W-U18's provide a big last impression on scouts before they compile the final Rankings...as Gagner's London Knights no doubt will be deep in the OHl playoffs or on the way to the Mem Cup at the time,and Burnaby at the moment looks out of their divisional playoffs for the BCHL Championship (though I suppose they could rise to earn a playoff spot)-so TURRIS could be leading Team canada at the u-18's and if he shines there could moive himselfall the way upto #1 overall--or at least to a conensus 1st centre ranking...
I agree--at this point nothing is really setled in this debate...coming out of last year I had Couture,Esposito,Gagner,Turris as the order of probable ranking..
(though I really liked Turris and thought my Blckhawks would be picking about 10-14 and he'd be available then) --but the mono Couture had imparing his season to date,
the terrific year Turris has had,the fact Gagner benefits so much from Kane,and the souring on Esposito by some scouting services--all this has skyrocketed Turris to a higher than expected position in my books--and now it looks like the Blackhawks will be drafting top 5 again with a possible shot at him or whoever they think is the top centre...
Anyway--we all get a chance to compare Esposito (sick or not?) vs. Gagner vs. Couture in ther performance tonight--this big "impression" could have a big effect on
the next rankings's from some of the scouting services...but my real hunch is that with a stellar U-18--Turris will leave no more doubts as to who will be the first centre taken in the draft...
I also state that it is only mid-term and that the other two in the top 4 centres
(Gagner and Couture) have their champions and could rise or fall on the final rankings depending on how well or not all 4 of them play to the end of the year...
In looking at the recent rankings from different scouting services,I pointed out the huge dicrepancy between the ISS (Esposito #10 overall) and CSS (Esposito #1 NA skater) and the closer postioning been then on Turris (ISS #7 overall) CSS #5NA skater) to bolster my forming consensus that TURRIS was the best choice between these two and in my opinion should be the #1 centre taken if I were drafting
--but this guy counters that he is a professional scout,and assures me Esposito would score 150 pts if here were in the BCHL and that Turris was only a big fish in a little pond! He also states that he just spoke with the ISS and gave them his report on Esposito and had convinced them to change their ranking --IS THIS TRUE ISS,or this this guy not telling the truth and just pretending to be a paid scout --though obviously he is a big Esposito lover?
I countered that Kyle Woodlief of Redline really dissed Esposito recently for his indifferent play and let outthat Redline did not have Esposito in its top 3...NOW I see that McKeen's has Esposito at #2 overall --BUT they also have TURRIS at #3 overall--indsicating a pick'em as preferred between the 2 is reasonable either way...
Th stigma obf being "only" a BCHL'er compared to a CHL'er seems to have narrowed in the minds of most scouting services (except for the big issue of ut that this alleged paid scout keeps harping on to defend his boy Esposito against my hunch that Turris will be the better pick).
There are a couple more interesting twists in this fun "debate" (much as he had in debates with the Toews vs. Kessel,vs. Backstrom vs. Staal arguments on the HF boards last year) :
1. Esposito was sick and missed the skills competition held prior to the CHL TOP PROSPECTS GAME..which means IF he stinks in the game tonight he has a ready made excuse for poor play--so I hope that doesn;'happen--if on the other hand he can live upto his hype --maybe I'll consider changing my opinio of him...right now
I agree with the Jan. ISS rank of only the 4th best centre (they have the 10th overall for Esposito;unlike ISS,I place Turris ahead of Couture but I agree Gagner is 3rd best centre ahead of Esposito)...
2. The only possible centres of these 4 who can make Canada's u-18 team for the
World U-18 Championships this spring are TURRIS and GAGNER --the other 2 are too old---and as old hands at this draftnik game well know the W-U18's provide a big last impression on scouts before they compile the final Rankings...as Gagner's London Knights no doubt will be deep in the OHl playoffs or on the way to the Mem Cup at the time,and Burnaby at the moment looks out of their divisional playoffs for the BCHL Championship (though I suppose they could rise to earn a playoff spot)-so TURRIS could be leading Team canada at the u-18's and if he shines there could moive himselfall the way upto #1 overall--or at least to a conensus 1st centre ranking...
I agree--at this point nothing is really setled in this debate...coming out of last year I had Couture,Esposito,Gagner,Turris as the order of probable ranking..
(though I really liked Turris and thought my Blckhawks would be picking about 10-14 and he'd be available then) --but the mono Couture had imparing his season to date,
the terrific year Turris has had,the fact Gagner benefits so much from Kane,and the souring on Esposito by some scouting services--all this has skyrocketed Turris to a higher than expected position in my books--and now it looks like the Blackhawks will be drafting top 5 again with a possible shot at him or whoever they think is the top centre...
Anyway--we all get a chance to compare Esposito (sick or not?) vs. Gagner vs. Couture in ther performance tonight--this big "impression" could have a big effect on
the next rankings's from some of the scouting services...but my real hunch is that with a stellar U-18--Turris will leave no more doubts as to who will be the first centre taken in the draft...