TSN: Dreger: JVR not expected back

[Maplebeasts]

It seems like a bad idea that we gave Marleau three years. Given the choice I'd rather have kept JVR.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Marleau
Hyman
Johnsson
Leivo
Martin
Grundstrom
Marchment
T. Moore
Timashov

Even without JVR, there are at least 4 players there that can be regulars in the lineup next season.

Really because I see 2, and a ton of ?

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Well putting it that way ... a bunch of hope and prayers.

After the first five guys, I agree.

 

[Menzinger]

Captain Obvious strikes again.

Babcock has cut down his usage a lot, despite his point totals he’s only being used as a depth scorer and power play specialists at this point. Management is going to pay first line money (what JVR will be asking for) for a guy to play that role

Edit; typo

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Hey TSN this is an after the playoffs conversation. Stop using the Leafs to get page views.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Marleau
Hyman
Johnsson
Leivo
Martin
Grundstrom
Marchment
T. Moore
Timashov

Even without JVR, there are at least 4 players there that can be regulars in the lineup next season.

That may be true, but there will likely be a significant drop in offensive production.

I'm among the few who wants to keep him. Even at a 6 million AAV on a long term deal, I think it's worth it.

How many UFAs at the age of 28 become available that can consistently put up approximately 30 goals/60 points?

I also don't think he will decline that much in the latter years of his career because he doesn't rely on speed or finesse to score the majority of his goals.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Captain Obvious strikes again.

Babcock has cut down his usage a lot, despite his point totals he’s only being used as a adverb scorer and power play specialists at this point. Management is going to pay first line money (what JVR will be asking for) for a guy to play that role

For a UFA, 6 million isn't really first line money anymore in the current economic landscape of the NHL.

 

[Suntouchable13]

That may be true, but there will likely be a significant drop in offensive production.

I'm among the few who wants to keep him. Even at a 6 million AAV on a long term deal, I think it's worth it.

How many UFAs at the age of 28 become available that can consistently put up approximately 30 goals/60 points?

I also don't think he will decline that much in the latter years of his career because he doesn't rely on speed or finesse to score the majority of his goals.

Let's say they bring him back at 6x6, then in a year Nylander and Marner will be getting 7 each. Matthews 10. That's 30 M in just 4 players. You decide if that's good cap management or not.

 

[Menzinger]

For a UFA, 6 million isn't really first line money anymore in the current economic landscape of the NHL.

It’s close to top lop line money at least.

I just don’t see the Leafs management wanting to tie up 12 million on Marleau/JVR when they play the same role - at least not if they intend on spending more money on the D or centre positions.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Captain Obvious strikes again.

Babcock has cut down his usage a lot, despite his point totals he’s only being used as a depth scorer and power play specialists at this point. Management is going to pay first line money (what JVR will be asking for) for a guy to play that role

Edit; typo

Look at last week when they were in Buffalo and winning 4-2 when the Sabres pulled Lehner to play 6v5, JVR already has 2 goals and Babcock did not put him on the ice for a chance at back to back hat tricks.

 

[Cor]

Well putting it that way ... a bunch of hope and prayers.

Really because I see 2, and a ton of ?

Marleau and Hyman are two NHL LW'ers. Andreas Johnsson, while not fully established, is a guy who should be in an NHL lineup, and Matt Martin, while not ideal, could still be a 4th line guy. Josh Leivo I think is an NHL winger.

Carl Grundstrom, right now is a guy who should be considered a good prospect who needs AHL time [despite my personal beliefs that he will challenge for a spot in September] Marchment, T.Moore and Timashov are obviously the more long-shot type players, but I think all 3 could be called up if some crazy injures happen, and fill in decently enough for a couple games.

Point is, while it doesn't look as great without JVR, we're still fine if management decides to allocate the 6 to 7 million we'd spend on JVR elsewhere/internally

 

[Boutette]

That may be true, but there will likely be a significant drop in offensive production.

Except there won't be because you aren't just losing JvRs 30-30, you're losing Komarov's 10-10 and likely Martin's 5-5, and replacing that with 3 players (Kapanen, Leivo and Johnsson) who've demonstrated that (a) they are together easily capable of covering the above's 45-45 while providing superior defense when compared to JvR and Martin not to mention 2 out of the 3 have been on the Marlies PK the last couple years, so are positioned to replace Komarov in that area as well. All costing 1/3 of what JvR, Komarov and Martin currently do. I'd say its at least a wash if not a slight improvement effectiveness wise and a definite huge savings that can be put to use where the team is actually deficient. hint: that's not on the wings.

 

[nsleaf]

Pure speculation on Dreger's part, based on him hearing that their has been no meaningful discussions. Wonder who he heard that from? Leafs or JVR agent or a little birdie told him?

I guess if he does not re-sign with TO then he was the Leaf's own play-off rental.

 

[Boutette]

Marchment, T.Moore and Timashov are obviously the more long-shot type players, but I think all 3 could be called up if some crazy injures happen, and fill in decently enough for a couple games.

Marchment is the only remaining winger prospect on the Marlies who took a step forwards this year (other than Bracco). IFAIC he's passed T. Moore and Timashov on the depth chart. Based on results this year, the only 2 wingers being a likely call up next year are him and Bracco (who Keefe as repeatedly praised for his playmaking abilities) depending on need. However, I do think that Grundstrom will push past him pretty quickly and possibly Korshkov as well unless Mason continues his Hyman-like development arc.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

I've been against keeping him because we have internal replacements, but I wouldn't mind him being resigned.

JVR - Matthews - Kapanen
Marleau - Kadri - Marner
Johnsson - Nylander - Hyman
xxx - xxx - Brown

 

[Walshy7]

Marleau and Hyman are two NHL LW'ers. Andreas Johnsson, while not fully established, is a guy who should be in an NHL lineup, and Matt Martin, while not ideal, could still be a 4th line guy. Josh Leivo I think is an NHL winger.

Carl Grundstrom, right now is a guy who should be considered a good prospect who needs AHL time [despite my personal beliefs that he will challenge for a spot in September] Marchment, T.Moore and Timashov are obviously the more long-shot type players, but I think all 3 could be called up if some crazy injures happen, and fill in decently enough for a couple games.

Point is, while it doesn't look as great without JVR, we're still fine if management decides to allocate the 6 to 7 million we'd spend on JVR elsewhere/internally

to add to this, Kapanen has played LW for the marlies too for a fair few games. I think he was LW for Nylander for a bit but cant remember for sure. Kapanen IMO should get first crack at JVR's vacancy. If Kapanen can be a 45-50 point guy while being very good defensively you are almost a wash in terms of what JVR provided and what he gave up in his lackluster defensive play.

 

[Legendary]

We’ll need the space to sign Tavares anyway so no big deal.

 

[Morgs]

Lol Dreger.

 

[Menzinger]

Lol Dreger.

Classic.

Everything you need to know about his level of hockey knowledge summed up in a single tweet

 

[Boutette]

It seems like a bad idea that we gave Marleau three years. Given the choice I'd rather have kept JVR.

Except we'll likely only have to have Marleau for 2 years, and we'd have to sign JvR for at least 6. How's your choice then?

 

[Boutette]

Lol Dreger.

Vesey isn't even a Hyman-level replacement player.

 

[Walshy7]

Lol Dreger.

and here is written proof why babcock should have no say in trades incoming or outgoing. Vesey has played only 25 less games than nylander and and has 77 less points.

Assuming this story is true

 

[ITM]

Dreger occasioning Nylander's departure, "I WOULD think Nylander PROBABLY WOULD have been gone by now."

That's actually (texted) written proof why Dreger should have no say in POSSIBLE trades incoming or outgoing.

Thank God for Lou.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

and here is written proof why babcock should have no say in trades incoming or outgoing. Vesey has played only 25 less games than nylander and and has 77 less points.

Assuming this story is true

I really doubt it is, unless a comparable player to Nylander was coming back on D. That being said Dreger just wants attention, I highly doubt anyone spoke to him.

 

[ACC1224]

I really doubt it is, unless a comparable player to Nylander was coming back on D. That being said Dreger just wants attention, I highly doubt anyone spoke to him.

He probably chatted with JVR's agent and that was his takeaway,