Proposal: Doesn't Detroit need Cap relief to sign Larkin?

[1865]

How on Earth do the Wings have no cap space? Who are they spending it all on??

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Franzen will likely be on LTIR, so I'm assuming Detroit's cap space will be $6.8M at the start of the season.

So I believe all they have to do is wait until season opening to sign Larkin (or they can trade Nyquist now to be able to sign Larkin right away.)

But say there's a trade to be done if I'm MTL I'd offer the following:

MTL:
Nyquist, Gustav ($4.75M)
2019 NYI 2nd round pick

DET:
Byron, Paul ($1.16M)
2019 CLG 4th round pick

Net cap savings to Detroit would be $3.59M in 2019, the net effect in terms of goal production would be nil. (Both players have similar goal productions and age).

Now I get that Nyquist is a 2nd liner vs. Byron a 3rd liner. Yet they both have very similar productions at differing cap hits.

The logic for Detroit is obviously to be able to sign Larkin whilst still having a valuable piece to trade a the deadline.
(Byron could be used to recoup another 2nd and other pieces at the 2019 TDL.)

The logic for Montreal is being able to ensure a late 1st round pick return at the TDL (By trading a retained Nyquist to a contending team) on top of adding a 2nd rounder to their 2019 draft selection.

Yeah in reality though, Nyquist isn't waiving his full NTC for another cellar dweller like Montreal. He'll only waive it for a true contender. Sorry Montreal is nowhere close to being a major contender any time soon.

 

[TML1967]

Why? Drop draft positions, for a rebuilding team, to lose salary it doesn't need to lose to gain players that don't help it? Leivo has less than no value to the Wings, and the team absolutely doesn't need bottom pair defenders.

Terrible.

The point of this thread was that the OP said Detroit needs to shed salary.

Moving Kronwal gives them just under 7.6 million in cap. Assuming they pay around a million for a replacement D gives them 6.5 million.

Seems like Larkin is in the +-6 AAv range.
Moving a guy who has lost his ability to skate well after some lower body issues, is 37, likely a #6/7, and gets paid 4.75 means you need to add to get someone to take him.

Disagree with the cost it's going to to take to move him sure, but it's gonna cost something if he is the guy and teams aren't gonna line up to help for nothing

 

[WingsMJN2965]

The point of this thread was that the OP said Detroit needs to shed salary.

Moving Kronwal gives them just under 7.6 million in cap. Assuming they pay around a million for a replacement D gives them 6.5 million.

Seems like Larkin is in the +-6 AAv range.
Moving a guy who has lost his ability to skate well after some lower body issues, is 37, likely a #6/7, and gets paid 4.75 means you need to add to get someone to take him.

Disagree with the cost it's going to to take to move him sure, but it's gonna cost something if he is the guy and teams aren't gonna line up to help for nothing

I'm not sure why, after being said about two dozen times in 7 pages, people don't understand that Detroit doesn't need to clear cap to sign Larkin...

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Detroit is not worried or going to have a hard time getting the deal done.

LTIR Franzen and then the waive Witkowski

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

How on Earth do the Wings have no cap space? Who are they spending it all on??

DDK, Helm and Abby are like 12 mil at least alone

 

[njx9]

The point of this thread was that the OP said Detroit needs to shed salary.

Moving Kronwal gives them just under 7.6 million in cap. Assuming they pay around a million for a replacement D gives them 6.5 million.

Seems like Larkin is in the +-6 AAv range.
Moving a guy who has lost his ability to skate well after some lower body issues, is 37, likely a #6/7, and gets paid 4.75 means you need to add to get someone to take him.

Disagree with the cost it's going to to take to move him sure, but it's gonna cost something if he is the guy and teams aren't gonna line up to help for nothing

OP was wrong. I'm not sure how many times that ought to be explained.

I suppose several more, as people salivate over taking all of our rebuilding pieces in exchange for whatever trash (Leivo) they want to unload. But hey, as a Leafs fan, it's not like you should know exactly what that's like and use more than a modicum of common sense instead of posting whatever silly deal you made on whichever video game you like.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Would anyone take Jimmy Howard at 50%?
If not just buy him out and there ya go. Larkin fits.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Would anyone take Jimmy Howard at 50%?
If not just buy him out and there ya go. Larkin fits.

Or not, and still sign Larkin anyways.

... I don't know how many more times it needs to be said that Detroit doesn't need to clear space for Larkin.

 

[TML1967]

OP was wrong. I'm not sure how many times that ought to be explained.

I suppose several more, as people salivate over taking all of our rebuilding pieces in exchange for whatever trash (Leivo) they want to unload. But hey, as a Leafs fan, it's not like you should know exactly what that's like and use more than a modicum of common sense instead of posting whatever silly deal you made on whichever video game you like.

I guess the professionals who follow the team are wrong.
Good article going into the issue: https://thehockeywriters.com/detroit-red-wings-salary-cap-larkin/
(Also been on drive time radio in Detroit)
Here are some locals predictions on where the contract ends (somewhere between 6 and 7.25 x8 is predicted)
https://thehockeywriters.com/detroit-red-wings-offseason-larkin-captain/

Once again it's for sure possible a dump won't be needed, but there is a good to fair chance he signs a deal that makes a dump helpful.

 

[Ishad]

I'm not sure why, after being said about two dozen times in 7 pages, people don't understand that Detroit doesn't need to clear cap to sign Larkin...

Someone should make another thread so it is clear

 

[BM14]

DDK, Helm and Abby are like 12 mil at least alone

You can get 1 Tavares for cheaper than that.

 

[FerrisRox]

mantha and larkin can be kept for now I suppose... or dealt... doesn't really matter. neither is likely to be an important part of a contending team in 5 seasons

Do you even follow hockey?

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Do you even follow hockey?

do you follow arguments

I clearly ment if they remain in Detroit until Detroit is ready to contend... its unlikely they would remain undamaged.

but thanks for your question. it makes me have a nice laugh. everyone needs a good laugh occasionally at someone elses classic fail attempts

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Someone should make another thread so it is clear

Evidently it didn't work. Stupidity is still running wild.

 

[The Red Line]

The point of this thread was that the OP said Detroit needs to shed salary.

Moving Kronwal gives them just under 7.6 million in cap. Assuming they pay around a million for a replacement D gives them 6.5 million.

Seems like Larkin is in the +-6 AAv range.
Moving a guy who has lost his ability to skate well after some lower body issues, is 37, likely a #6/7, and gets paid 4.75 means you need to add to get someone to take him.

Disagree with the cost it's going to to take to move him sure, but it's gonna cost something if he is the guy and teams aren't gonna line up to help for nothing

And then the rest of the thread has been people pointing out how ridiculously incorrect the OP was...

 

[njx9]

I guess the professionals who follow the team are wrong.

What "professionals"? The actual GM of the team, or are you referring to a bunch of posters on an IBB and some mediocre journalists?

Good article going into the issue: https://thehockeywriters.com/detroit-red-wings-salary-cap-larkin/

https://thehockeywriters.com/detroit-red-wings-salary-cap-larkin/

Larkin is an RFA. Given Holland's RFA history, assuming scenario 3 in the linked article is absurd to the point of idiocy, and neither scenario 1 or 2 mean the Wings have to do literally anything, let alone gift you a bunch of assets for absolutely nothing.

The Hockey Writers are professionals
(Also been on drive time radio in Detroit)
Here are some locals predictions on where the contract ends (somewhere between 6 and 7.25 x8 is predicted)
https://thehockeywriters.com/detroit-red-wings-offseason-larkin-captain/

https://thehockeywriters.com/detroit-red-wings-offseason-larkin-captain/

The Hockey Writers are a collection of bloggers. Let me know when Custance or one of the organization mouthpieces in Khan or HSJ start getting worried.

Once again it's for sure possible a dump won't be needed, but there is a good to fair chance he signs a deal that makes a dump helpful.

Helpful for what? Not having to waive Witkowski and Frk? God forbid that happens.

But hey, if you want to pin your hopes and dreams on the Wings giving you all of their picks and kids for your own roster garbage, you do you.

 

[izlez]

Good article going into the issue: https://thehockeywriters.com/detroit-red-wings-salary-cap-larkin/

So, according to this article, the Red Wings are going to have issues fitting him in if they decide to have 37 players dressed every night.

Thad could indeed cause some cap problems. Somehow I think we'll find a workaround that doesn't involve trading away major assets for nothing