Does the Hall of Fame still hold significance to you?

[Rants Mulliniks]

Not a big fan of the selections of the past couple decades (I think it's a little stupid to basically set forced quotas).

To your question about being there, I was like 25 years ago and to me, it was awesome.

 

[Toby91ca]

If you’ve gone once….you’re good.

I went in like 2013. It was fun. The trophy room where they have like the Art Ross, Conn Smythe, etc. is the best part.

Whrn I went they had the Crosby “Golden Goal” exhibit which was sweet to see up close.

Yeah, that's probably true...not a place you would visit over and over and over again. My office used to be in the same building, so I walked past the HHOF twice a day for about 16-17 years before we move a couple blocks north....actually, I guess I still walked past in twice a day...

I had gone once or twice and then I took my kids, probably no great reason to go back, but it's a fun little experience....going to the "Great Hall" - or whatever it's called with all the trophies is pretty cool.

In terms of members, yeah, I think the bar is too low.....but perhaps it's getting more reasonable....not sure. I think there are a lot of guys in there from 50+ years ago that really shouldn't be.....some recent ones as well...who knows. What I do know for sure....my bar for entry is a lot higher and perhaps less significance played on Cup winners. I do think that should be a consideration, but not as significant as it seems. Perhaps it doesn't hold a lot of guys back as much as it's helped a lot of guys in who really shouldn't be there.

 

[OrangePMD]

(I think it's a little stupid to basically set forced quotas).

This. Once you realize that on average, three players get in every year. So, on average three future HHOFers retire each year, three HHOFers per draft class, and yeah, like 50 future HHOFers played in the NHL this season.

 

[NVious]

There have been roughly 10,000 people to play in the NHL, 300 of them are in the HOF. There are always going to be "questionable" people in any HOF, the MLB is the opposite excluding people who should obviously be in.

The Marleau thing is funny, people acting like the leading games played and a top 50 point producer of all time is some great travesty getting in. The HOF should celebrate Hockey, not be some exclusivist party. If some people had their way the HOF would be a room with a picture of Wayne, Mario, Orr and Howe and a note under them "the rest of the people that played in the NHL are pathetic dusters who couldn't hold these men's jock straps #Pathetic"

 

[Canadian Game]

No. Board members can't even fill out their ballot correctly.

If you list Ovi as a RW rather than a LW, you should have your board seat automatically revoked.

You’re confusing the Hockey Hall of Fame and its board of directors for the media. The media vote for end of season all-stars. It had nothing to do with the HHOF.

Ovechkin voted to two NHL All-Star teams

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[Nocashstyle]

Which I doubt happens but even if it does why are people letting the absence of perfection standing in the way of a good experience?

Or especially using Marleau as an example. No one has played more NHL games than him. He had 566 goals and almost 1,200 points. Say what you will about compilers, but he was a prominent player for two decades in the league and a part of hockey history.

I’m not going to be red faced arguing for Marleau to get in, but I’m also not going to second guess if he does either.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Have you been there? Was it worth it?

If you’re already in Toronto, yes absolutely. It’s probably not worth a long trip unless you’re a true diehard, but it is a cool museum that makes a great couple of hours of hockey fun.

Do you believe the Hall of Fame's qualifications regarding player entry holds up?

Not really. The Hall has made some unfortunate inductions over the years, and really established a low bar for entry. There are a bunch of “hall of very good” type players in there.

Does it still have a lot of value in the modern age for everyone?

Yes, despite the low bar for entry it is still the gold standard for a hockey career.

• Who are the glaring omissions or entries which weaken the quality of the Hall?

Glaring entries — Carbonneau, Housley, Mullen, Anderson, Gillies, Duff.

^ A lot of the problematic inductions are from the 70s and 80s, when scoring was deceptively high and dynasties dominated the league. Relatively unimpressive players could have 4 Cup rings and 1000 points, and the Hall failed to show any discretion about comparing those players to guys from lower scoring, non-dynasty eras.

Which future players do you anticipate might get subbed?

Anyone without a Cup ring, which is problematic given that Cup rings are a rare achievement in a 32-team league.

Also, goalies will continue to have an unfair standard until proven otherwise.

 

[The Macho King]

Or especially using Marleau as an example. No one has played more NHL games than him. He had 566 goals and almost 1,200 points. Say what you will about compilers, but he was a prominent player for two decades in the league and a part of hockey history.

I’m not going to be red faced arguing for Marleau to get in, but I’m also not going to second guess if he does either.

Then give him a f***ing perfect attendance certificate.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Not a big fan of the selections of the past couple decades (I think it's a little stupid to basically set forced quotas).

There are no quotas… about half the time, they only induct 3 players instead of the potential 4. As recently as 2008, they only inducted 2.

It’s more that they just have too loose of standards for induction so we get 3-4 where 2 would do.

 

[Nocashstyle]

Then give him a f***ing perfect attendance certificate.

Sure. I don’t care either way. It ain’t that serious. The HOF is a memorial to hockey history. I don’t understand why some get so worked up about it.

 

[The Macho King]

Sure. I don’t care either way. It ain’t that serious. The HOF is a memorial to hockey history. I don’t understand why some get so worked up about it.

I don't think it impacts anyone's day-to-day life. But you're on a hockey message board, which by definition is going to attract die hard hockey fans. Moreover, message boards skew older versus other forms of social media, so you're talking to mostly older, die hard hockey fans.

There are only so many times I can talk about Brad Marchand being a rat or make fun of the Leafs. For some variety, I like bitching about Phil Housley being in the HHOF too.

 

[BraveCanadian]

The trophy room and plaques are great as well as some of the exhibits that rotate but the “interactive” parts are very very long in b the tooth.

 

[GoldenKnight]

It is watered down and slightly jingoistic, but getting a Hall of Fame nod is still a nice notch on the belt for most retired former stars.

The "first ballot entry" is also a nice honor for most elite players.

I wish the entry criteria were more strict, and more transparent. There have been too many weak entries over the years, as well as a few questionable omissions.

 

[Nocashstyle]

I don't think it impacts anyone's day-to-day life. But you're on a hockey message board, which by definition is going to attract die hard hockey fans. Moreover, message boards skew older versus other forms of social media, so you're talking to mostly older, die hard hockey fans.

There are only so many times I can talk about Brad Marchand being a rat or make fun of the Leafs. For some variety, I like bitching about Phil Housley being in the HHOF too.

I understand.

It’s just, when four players are inducted every year, there are going to be weak years. The cream of the crop HOFers go ASAP, I think that’s been pretty clear. The borderline/HOVG cases kind of hang around and “put in their time” until they sneak in in a weaker class.

Sure, plenty of names that can be debated, but also not many glaring omissions that I can think of. Mogilny seems to be a popular choice as an omission right now. As a Devils fan, I obviously like Mogilny as much as the next person, and he certainly has his arguments for. But he also had one single year where he received any Hart votes at all (finished 18th), and only two years of top 10 in points. Yes, he has the historical importance of being the first NHLer to defect, and did tie for the league lead in goals one year.

Either way, my point is, if Mogilny is the popular choice of omission amongst fans, and he doesn’t even have a super strong no-questions-asked case, there are going to be weaker players inducted when it’s four each year. It is what it is.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Yes

Is there some players deserving not in yet? Yes
Some people that shouldn't be in there but are?
Yes

Doesn't take away from overall greatness though.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

There are no quotas… about half the time, they only induct 3 players instead of the potential 4. As recently as 2008, they only inducted 2.

It’s more that they just have too loose of standards for induction so we get 3-4 where 2 would do.

Nothing engrained but it''s pretty close. There's some pretty clear patterns there.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

It holds significance, but I feel like the barrier of entry is being eroded over time. That's a shame.

 

[geebster]

If you can't tell the story of an era without the guy and they were a good player then they should be in it. As such I have no problem with basically any of the picks in there right now. It's still an elite group.

 

[Toene]

HHOF is a joke, but it's still nice when your guy gets in. But like... Housley, Carbonneau, Duff, Lowe... the Hall has always had pretty low standards relative to other sports, but it's gotten worse.

The main issue aside from that is with Soviet/Iron Curtain players, though. You get guys like Yakushev in, but are missing out on a ton of much more worthy players, all because Yakushev had one good series against Canada.

That all being said - the process sucks with two rounds of voting - it basically guarantees a full compliment a year. I much prefer the baseball hall of fame method where everyone submits a ballot, and if a player doesn't make the threshold they don't get in, and if they don't get in after X number of years, they're off the ballot.

One of those is not like the others. I don't get the complaints about Carbonneau. One of the best defensive forwards of all-time who has both individual (Selkes) and team (2 cups) hardware.

He deserves it 100%

 

[The Macho King]

One of those is not like the others. I don't get the complaints about Carbonneau. One of the best defensive forwards of all-time who has both individual (Selkes) and team (2 cups) hardware.

He deserves it 100%

Mmmmmkay

 

[Toene]

Mmmmmkay

I agree with the rest of your post though

 

[Legionnaire11]

Why don't people think Housley should be in? The guy was phenomenal and remained one of the top scoring d-men through the DPE.

7th in GP
4th in goals
5th in assists
4th in points


There's really no room for an argument of era, +/-, style, awards, compiling, etc. when a player is top-4 all-time in his position. Housley was an all-time great NHL defenseman and easily deserves his place in the HHOF

 

[The Macho King]

Why don't people think Housley should be in? The guy was phenomenal and remained one of the top scoring d-men through the DPE.

7th in GP
4th in goals
5th in assists
4th in points


There's really no room for an argument of era, +/-, style, awards, compiling, etc. when a player is top-4 all-time in his position. Housley was an all-time great NHL defenseman and easily deserves his place in the HHOF

So you know how a hockey rink has three areas? Known colloquially as "zones"?

Housley was really bad in two of those. Like worst of all time (for a prominent player).

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

Every hockey fan should try to go at least once.

I went about 20 years ago. Is it still in that old bank building? From the outside it's an old bank but if I remember correctly we had to go in through like an unground shopping mall. At at the end of the mall where you expect to see like a JC Penney instead its the freakin Hockey Hall of Fame.

The trophy room is very cool. I remember they had some interactive stuff where you could shoot pucks at a goalie on a screen, but the sticks were all full length so a little hard to shoot. That's all I remember.

 

[Roksta]

Won't be complete until the final GOAT is in

I think you got the wrong image? Not sure but I found the original GOAT picture