Do You Consider Ovechkin Generational?

[AlexBrovechkin8]

I'd say if a player has a strong case for being the greatest goal scorer to ever play the game then yes, said player is, "generational."

 

[Randyne]

Career-wise Gretzky has 186 more goals than man behind him. It was the same gap as between 2nd and 10th places
Ovechkin has 189 more goals than man behind him. It is now the same gap as between 2nd and 68th places.

 

[Man Machine]

We vote yes on this!
A generational goalscorer and therefore generationel player.
He is a player that old timers will write about on this very board thirty years from now.

 

[xIronLore]

Yes, without a doubt.

 

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For those now turning this into Crosby Is Not Generational; similar to my last example of Ovechkin being in the elite goal scoring class of Richard, Hull, Esposito and Gretzky based on many years of leading the league in goals, here are the leaders for seasons leading the league in points-per-game.

Gretzky 11
Lemieux 7
Howe 7
Esposito 5
Crosby 5

Mikita and Bill Cowley have 4, others have 3. I think this is just as telling a stat as Ovechkin's times leading the league in goals. And I expect McDavid to get into this class by the end of his career, because he is generational. It would be ridiculous for every player in this class to be generational except for the extremely decorated Sidney Crosby.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

He's by far the best of his generation at what he does and arguably the best of all time at what he does.

If the word generational should apply to anyone, he should be included.0

 

[Torontonian]

Ovie is 100% a generational player, the man scores at will and is one of the best pure goal scorers in the game, if my team was down a goal in the last minute of the game he would be the man I could count on to score the tying goal. I really do hope the caps or him wins a cup, its a shame to see someone as good as Ovi not be rewarded with a cup

 

[Fear the Wushu]

I'd say if a player has a strong case for being the greatest goal scorer to ever play the game then yes, said player is, "generational."

Watch what you say here man. If you aren't performing a mean an aggressive back check on every shift you are not generational... Ovi is going to go down as the greatest goal scorer of all time, I'm so tired of these team based arguments against him, it's not his fault the Caps are chokers and it's not like Ovi goes missing in the playoffs. This is a clear cut yes for me.

Scoring goals is the most important thing in all team based sports, it's actually an under rated aspect of the game on HFboards. Do you guys think Messi, Ronaldo, or Ibrahimovich get shit for never tracking back in Soccer? No, their fans don't care that they rarely track back. It's Ovi's job to score goals and he is the best at it.

 

[Volica]

Generational goal scorer. Not player. There’s a winning pedigree that goes along with it. The guy’s never been to a final.

 

[Big McLargehuge]

There's no rule that there can only be one generational player at a time, and he's unquestionably the best goal scorer of his generation...so the answer is easily yes from me.

 

[Acallabeth]

For those now turning this into Crosby Is Not Generational; similar to my last example of Ovechkin being in the elite goal scoring class of Richard, Hull, Esposito and Gretzky based on many years of leading the league in goals, here are the leaders for seasons leading the league in points-per-game.
Gretzky 11
Lemieux 7
Howe 7
Esposito 5
Crosby 5
Mikita and Bill Cowley have 4, others have 3. I think this is just as telling a stat as Ovechkin's times leading the league in goals.

Even if Crosby doubles his achievement, he'll only be in the same position Ovechkin is in now (one season to tie the all-time leader).
Then again, in a full season Crosby never came anywhere close to his shortened seasons pace, so it's an amusing fact and nothing more, not a thing to base a conclusion on.

 

[Butch 19]

Does he have any kids?

 

[Hockeyholic]

Nope. Team success matters to me. The guy has never even been out of the second round.

 

[Gurilla]

Easily.

 

[Devil Dancer]

Yes.

Best goal scorer of his era, and maybe ever.

Highest peak of any player of his generation.

Co-face of the NHL for 10+ seasons.

 

[SpinningEdge]

So since entering the league Ovi has had more individual awards, most goals, most points (yes, him and Crosby came in same year and Ovi has more points), and some people don’t think he’s generational?

Yet Crosby, who is about to have his 7th out of last 8 seasons not even have 90 points in a given year is considered by some a top 3 or top 5 player.

This isn’t a knock on Crosby - he’s amazing and the best when healthy - but it just shows the biased views people have.

Durability (especially with Ovi’s past is important). Team success tharCrosby has is important too.

Crosby is the better player overall because people view team success as a big part of things - and that’s understandable. However, if you switched team success around and Ovi had multiple Cups who wouldn’t be saying he’s the best player by far of this generation?

We should just be enjoying what we are seeing. People were obsessed and saying McDavid and Matthews are the next best thing ever - and so far they aren’t anywhere near Ovi/Crosby prime levels... and that’s okay because OVI and Crosby are both EASILY generational talents.

 

[DRW204]

Year	League	Award
2005-06	NHL	Calder Memorial Trophy
2007-08	NHL	Art Ross Trophy
2007-08	NHL	Hart Memorial Trophy
2007-08	NHL	Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy
2007-08	NHL	Lester B. Pearson Trophy
2008-09	NHL	Hart Memorial Trophy
2008-09	NHL	Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy
2008-09	NHL	Ted Lindsay Award
2009-10	NHL	Ted Lindsay Award
2012-13	NHL	Hart Memorial Trophy
2012-13	NHL	Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy
2013-14	NHL	Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy
2014-15	NHL	Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy
2015-16	NHL	Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy

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[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Likely finishes his career with close to 750 goals..I think nuff said?

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Yep.

Best goal scorer of the last 20 years, even if he never gets a Cup.

 

[All_blueandwhite]

Absolutely without a doubt, yes.

We won't see another OV in this league for a very long time.

 

[hockeykicker]

Wait how is this a question when people are claiming that Matthews and mcdavid are generational??

The dude has 3 harts, hundreds of rockets, is about to hit 600 goals at age 32 and it's well maybe or no to some people??

 

[hockeykicker]

Nope. Team success matters to me. The guy has never even been out of the second round.

Then take a glance at the capitals playoff stats and tell me what you see. What you'll see is ovechkin doing everything and all other players have zero stats

 

[hockeykicker]

So since entering the league Ovi has had more individual awards, most goals, most points (yes, him and Crosby came in same year and Ovi has more points), and some people don’t think he’s generational?

Yet Crosby, who is about to have his 7th out of last 8 seasons not even have 90 points in a given year is considered by some a top 3 or top 5 player.

This isn’t a knock on Crosby - he’s amazing and the best when healthy - but it just shows the biased views people have.

Durability (especially with Ovi’s past is important). Team success tharCrosby has is important too.

Crosby is the better player overall because people view team success as a big part of things - and that’s understandable. However, if you switched team success around and Ovi had multiple Cups who wouldn’t be saying he’s the best player by far of this generation?

We should just be enjoying what we are seeing. People were obsessed and saying McDavid and Matthews are the next best thing ever - and so far they aren’t anywhere near Ovi/Crosby prime levels... and that’s okay because OVI and Crosby are both EASILY generational talents.

Because he won a cup or something

 

[AlexBrovechkin8]

Nope. Team success matters to me. The guy has never even been out of the second round.

Ah, good, this lazy argument again. That Ovechkin's teams haven't been able to get over the hump doesn't change the fact that he arguably is the greatest goal scorer of all time. People are legitimately pondering the possibility of him breaking Gretzky's goal scoring record. Ovechkin also has terrific playoff numbers; it's the rest of his team that disappears.

There is no reasonable argument -- qualitatively or quantitatively -- that can be made to say that Ovechkin is not generational.

 

[HuskyBruinPride]

Easily

He's the best goal scorer of his generation, arguably the best in NHL history.

 

[rent free]

yup. there was no pure sniper like him in his generation