Big Phil
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Hey what can I say I love deabating potential future Hall of Famers, current or retired. Here's 5 more. Knock yourself out.
Daniel Alfredsson - He falls into the love him or hate him category. Again his carer isnt over. He is already a Conn Smythe candidate this year and if the Sens win the Cup I think its fair on projection to give him a little bit more Hall talk. Right now he sits at pretty good career numbers with 758 points in 783 games. His best seasons are 103, 87, 80, 78, 71 and 70 points. He was a second team all-star only once in '06 and that might hurt him but a Cup would change his shaky image. His playoffs numbers are better than a lot of people want to give him credit for and while he's had some brutal playoff years like '99, '01, '03 and '04 he's had some years where he played well in the postseason. So let's project him as a guy that'll play another 3-5 years and maybe have a Cup or two. Eventually, if the right ingredients fall into place I think he can get in.
Paul Kariya - I was intrigued on another thread how quick one post was to dismiss him right away. Why is that? I think if he retired tomorrow he'd be in. But I'm guessing he has another 3-4 years of good Hockey in him. His career points are 866 in 821 games. His best seasons are 108, 101, 99, 86, 85, 81. He was a first team all-star three times ('96, '97, '99) and second team ('00, '03). he was a two-time Lady Byng winner and I know that doesnt really matter but he has the hardware. He was a top 10 scorer 4 times and a if you go back to 1997 and ask a GM who he wanted on his team after Lemieux a lot of them would have picked Kariya. For about two years he was mentioned as the best player in the game at times. He has a hard peak to ignore. His playoff experience is fairly weak but he should get in regardless. Its not like he's a loser, he won in the Worlds and the Olympics.
Jeremy Roenick - He wasnt peerless by any means in his peak like Kariya so when you see his highest season point totals of 107, 107, 103 and 94 you might wonder. But he scored them at a time when scoring was higher. In all those years he never had a post season all-star nod, a Cup or a major award. You could argue in a couple years he was a top 10 player in the game but so was Bill Barber and he got in because he contributed greatly to some Cups. Roenick never won and that bugs me. In fact the only time Team USA ever won anything was in 1996 when he was off the team. He didnt do much after his 24th birthday and that hurts him. Its too bad because he had 1170 points in 1252 games and did well in the playoffs too. Any GM wanted him on their team. But do you think Hall of Famer when you think of him? Lafontaine you do, even Modano you do more than Roenick.
Jere Lehtinen - No it isnt a joke. I'm not campaigning for him to get in there but he;s a lot close than we think. Gainey is in there, Carboneau has a shot and personally Lehtinen should get more brownie points. His numbers dont jump out at you with 436 points in 721 games. He's never had more than 52 points in a season but he has three Selke Trophies and one Cup in which he was huge in. Its his all around game that made him dangerous. I wouldnt put him in, but just how close do you think he is in your opinion.
Pat Quinn - As a coach of course. Quinn was a solid defenseman in the NHL but far from great, in fact no bette than solid. As a coach he's racked up well over 600 wins. He's above .500 in the playoffs too. Keep in mind he was Coach of the Year in '80 and '92. And 5 times he led teams to 100+ points. It hurts that he has no Cups but he had two Cup finals visits in '80 and '94. Quinn coached the Flyers to that incredible 25-0-10 unbeaten streak in '80 and it isnt easy keeping a team grounded like that. Before 2006 it was 1986 when his teams last didnt make the playoffs, which is pretty good. And although a Cup eludes him, he's won the Olympic Gold and a World Cup. Do you think anyone could coach Team Canada? Well he did it again in '06 and didnt do very well. With a coach like a goalie its hard to put them in a great category without a Cup. Its unfair, but you cant call him a loser either. He won in international tournaments which isnt easy either. I'd say he's a Hall of Famer.
Daniel Alfredsson - He falls into the love him or hate him category. Again his carer isnt over. He is already a Conn Smythe candidate this year and if the Sens win the Cup I think its fair on projection to give him a little bit more Hall talk. Right now he sits at pretty good career numbers with 758 points in 783 games. His best seasons are 103, 87, 80, 78, 71 and 70 points. He was a second team all-star only once in '06 and that might hurt him but a Cup would change his shaky image. His playoffs numbers are better than a lot of people want to give him credit for and while he's had some brutal playoff years like '99, '01, '03 and '04 he's had some years where he played well in the postseason. So let's project him as a guy that'll play another 3-5 years and maybe have a Cup or two. Eventually, if the right ingredients fall into place I think he can get in.
Paul Kariya - I was intrigued on another thread how quick one post was to dismiss him right away. Why is that? I think if he retired tomorrow he'd be in. But I'm guessing he has another 3-4 years of good Hockey in him. His career points are 866 in 821 games. His best seasons are 108, 101, 99, 86, 85, 81. He was a first team all-star three times ('96, '97, '99) and second team ('00, '03). he was a two-time Lady Byng winner and I know that doesnt really matter but he has the hardware. He was a top 10 scorer 4 times and a if you go back to 1997 and ask a GM who he wanted on his team after Lemieux a lot of them would have picked Kariya. For about two years he was mentioned as the best player in the game at times. He has a hard peak to ignore. His playoff experience is fairly weak but he should get in regardless. Its not like he's a loser, he won in the Worlds and the Olympics.
Jeremy Roenick - He wasnt peerless by any means in his peak like Kariya so when you see his highest season point totals of 107, 107, 103 and 94 you might wonder. But he scored them at a time when scoring was higher. In all those years he never had a post season all-star nod, a Cup or a major award. You could argue in a couple years he was a top 10 player in the game but so was Bill Barber and he got in because he contributed greatly to some Cups. Roenick never won and that bugs me. In fact the only time Team USA ever won anything was in 1996 when he was off the team. He didnt do much after his 24th birthday and that hurts him. Its too bad because he had 1170 points in 1252 games and did well in the playoffs too. Any GM wanted him on their team. But do you think Hall of Famer when you think of him? Lafontaine you do, even Modano you do more than Roenick.
Jere Lehtinen - No it isnt a joke. I'm not campaigning for him to get in there but he;s a lot close than we think. Gainey is in there, Carboneau has a shot and personally Lehtinen should get more brownie points. His numbers dont jump out at you with 436 points in 721 games. He's never had more than 52 points in a season but he has three Selke Trophies and one Cup in which he was huge in. Its his all around game that made him dangerous. I wouldnt put him in, but just how close do you think he is in your opinion.
Pat Quinn - As a coach of course. Quinn was a solid defenseman in the NHL but far from great, in fact no bette than solid. As a coach he's racked up well over 600 wins. He's above .500 in the playoffs too. Keep in mind he was Coach of the Year in '80 and '92. And 5 times he led teams to 100+ points. It hurts that he has no Cups but he had two Cup finals visits in '80 and '94. Quinn coached the Flyers to that incredible 25-0-10 unbeaten streak in '80 and it isnt easy keeping a team grounded like that. Before 2006 it was 1986 when his teams last didnt make the playoffs, which is pretty good. And although a Cup eludes him, he's won the Olympic Gold and a World Cup. Do you think anyone could coach Team Canada? Well he did it again in '06 and didnt do very well. With a coach like a goalie its hard to put them in a great category without a Cup. Its unfair, but you cant call him a loser either. He won in international tournaments which isnt easy either. I'd say he's a Hall of Famer.