Dont know if this has been discussed but... "Karmanos said last month that he has lost $12 million to $16 million a year since buying the franchise in 1994. General manager Jim Rutherford also said last month that the franchise lost about $22 million in last year's 82-game season but expects losses of $7.5 million if no games are played in 2004-05." http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=1902274 If this is true for the entire league (for a majority of teams) then the players are in for a ride... they better start talking. If these numbers are true, of course... because the players seem to think that the owners dont give good numbers. But weirdly, there have been attempts from the owners to use some well known 3rd parties to help evaluate the bookeeping of each team; offer declined by the NHLPA. So you guys think the owners would lose less money with this lockout then without?