Do the Devils have Martin Brodeur problem? (goalie management)

[A1LeafNation]

He thinks goalies should go back to playing 70+ games like in the 90s...

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[Mirka the Turka]

I mean Brodeur played that load and was the GOAT so I think he knows better than hfboards users

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

He should go back to being a 'Rent A Goalie'

 

[Rebels57]

I mean Brodeur played that load and was the GOAT so I think he knows better than hfboards users

Having the most wins does not and never will equal being the GOAT.

 

[Peasy]

I mean Brodeur played that load and was the GOAT so I think he knows better than hfboards users

Yeah. The pace of the game hasnt changed in the slightest since Brodeur was in his prime!

 

[A1LeafNation]

I mean Brodeur played that load and was the GOAT so I think he knows better than hfboards users

Hockey was slow paced back in his playing days and skaters/coaching have adjusted as well. The game is played at a much higher pace.

I guess all teams should do what he says instead too?

 

[God]

Easy to play 70+ games when your trap team allows 20 shots per game and slower players were using worse sticks.

Move aside, old man.

 

[Brodeur]

That's Marty's opinion and the article also has a passage where he understands the value of a shared workload.

But he also gets both sides of it.

“It’s a good reality now — you need to have two goalies,” he conceded. “I think that’s where it gets skewed. Like, it’s hard to find that No. 1 goalie. You get it in Nashville. You get it in Tampa. You get it in Calgary. There’s a couple of places that have them. But there’s not many. A lot of them are tandems.

Marty also notes that the average backup now is much better than the average backup in the 90's which I think is true. Marty's not on the coaching staff so it's not like he was the one telling them to run Nico Daws into the ground earlier this season. That was just extenuating circumstances with Vanecek's injury and Schmid's subpar play in the NHL/AHL.

 

[NYRfan85]

The game was A LOT slower when Marty played, and the team in front of him could clutch and grab like no tomorrow.

No way a goalie today could sustain 70+ games.

 

[ThaDevilGirl]

 

[Brodeur]

Easy to play 70+ games when your trap team allows 20 shots per game and slower players were using worse sticks.

Move aside, old man.

I suppose it's futile, but I wish Brodeur would get some credit for the shot prevention with his puckhandling. I guess the trapezoid will have to do.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Easy to play 70+ games when your trap team allows 20 shots per game and slower players were using worse sticks.

Move aside, old man.

They held the Leafs to like 6 shots in a playoff elimination game back in 2002 or 2003.

 

[Bleedred]

I wish he didn’t work in the organization. I also fear he’s the next GM for the team, whether that’s in 2 years from now or 10 years from now. So Fitz better get it together for next year.

I’m not sure I like that quote. I’ve really shredded the goalie coach here (who HE hired and brought in, by the way) and I still think he sucks, but I was just posting last night that the goalie decisions with this team seem like they’ve been off for quite some time and I’ve wondered if they’re coming from above. It’s weird Kahkonen didn’t get to start after a shutout. This team has had a problem with running goalies into the ground for several years now. Even if the goalie sucks.

I’m not sure if that quote particularly is indicative of it or not though.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

I mean Brodeur played that load and was the GOAT so I think he knows better than hfboards users

This was the same mentality used to explain why Wayne Gretzky would make a great head coach. It's the same mentality used to justify why great players get promoted to positions they have no business being in under any proper circumstance.

It's also how some companies decide on who gets into management, and then struggle because they don't want to admit they've made a mistake.

 

[Brodeur]

They held the Leafs to like 6 shots in a playoff elimination game back in 2002 or 2003.

It was in 2000. I had gone over some of the Leafs bad injury luck in that series on a different thread. Due to Bryan Berard's unfortunate eye injury and Alexander Karpovtsev having an irregular heart beat, this was the Leafs D that game:

Kaberle (22:35) - Yushkevich (25:48)
Markov (21:31) - Andrusak (17:12)
Cross (17:19) - Diduck (14:00)

Andrusak never played in the NHL after that game and Diduck wasn't far behind. If your #7 and #8 D are playing, you might have a harder time breaking the puck out.

 

[God]

I suppose it's futile, but I wish Brodeur would get some credit for the shot prevention with his puckhandling. I guess the trapezoid will have to do.

Hey, skating to the corner and launching a puck out of the zone also lessens the workload.

 

[A1LeafNation]

It was in 2000. I had gone over some of the Leafs bad injury luck in that series on a different thread. Due to Bryan Berard's unfortunate eye injury and Alexander Karpovtsev having an irregular heart beat, this was the Leafs D that game:

Kaberle (22:35) - Yushkevich (25:48)
Markov (21:31) - Andrusak (17:12)
Cross (17:19) - Diduck (14:00)

Andrusak never played in the NHL after that game and Diduck wasn't far behind. If your #7 and #8 D are playing, you might have a harder time breaking the puck out.

It was a hard game to watch.

 

[Salsa Shark]

09-10 he played 70+ We're not talking ancient history here.

 

[3074326]

A lot has changed, Marty. Rules, pace of game, knowledge regarding injuries/workload, talented backups.. probably more. But yeah, when you remove all context it sounds pretty neat I guess

 

[Chainshot]

Yeah. The pace of the game hasnt changed in the slightest since Brodeur was in his prime!

Listening to the ClearSite guys talking about how the pace of the game is now more demanding than it was just 5 years ago certainly points to that. Teams aren't willing to just whip random, low-chance pucks on net, they work way harder to get better looks than they did years ago.

 

[Brodeur]

A lot has changed, Marty. Rules, pace of game, knowledge regarding injuries/workload, talented backups.. probably more. But yeah, when you remove all context it sounds pretty neat I guess

I think Marty acknowledged and accepted all that in the article. But I suppose if we're going to get outraged over a headline, then okay.

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Getting back to the style of play, Marty didn't adopt the butterfly until later in his career. We've seen an uptick in goalie injuries as the butterfly has become the standard. I'd almost compare to how MLB starters don't log as many innings as they did in the 80's/90's. They're being asked to throw harder and put their arms through more.

 

[Chainshot]

I think Marty acknowledged and accepted all that in the article. But I suppose if we're going to get outraged over a headline, then okay.

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Getting back to the style of play, Marty didn't adopt the butterfly until later in his career. We've seen an uptick in goalie injuries as the butterfly has become the standard. I'd almost compare to how MLB starters don't log as many innings as they did in the 80's/90's. They're being asked to throw harder and put their arms through more.

Even in the '80's and '90's, they didn't throw on off-days like they did in the '50's or earlier. It's always an evolution.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

He thinks goalies should go back to playing 70+ games like in the 90s...

Easy for him to say. Those devils teams he played on only gave up like 23 shots a night. If he played on a team like the current Ducks, he wouldn't be saying that.

 

[abo9]

Thats kinda of an odd thing to bring up? Is there really a big difference?

Last 4 seasons, Hellebuyck played the most games and started 78% of the Jets games

The 4 seasons between 2000 and 2004, Kolzig was 2nd in games played and played in 82% of his team's games. Brodeur was first with near 90%, but he was a freak.

The goalie with 10th most games is Bobrovsky, who started 63% of the Panthers games. 10th in 2000s was Mike Dunham with 65% of potential games started.

By the 20th goalie (Merzilikins), we suddenly drop to 50% of games played to 57% by Kevin Weekes in early 2000s.

By the 30th goalie, both era had a 42% of games started.

 

[njdevils1982]

It was a hard game to watch.

not for me, i was in a toronto bar drunk and laughing it up surrounded by leafs fans.

a legendary game.