Do both McDavid and Kucherov getting 100 assists in a season marginalize the accomplishment?

[SuperScript29]

Ya only 3 players in history have gotten 40 goals and 100 assists.
Gretzky and Lemieux the other 2, pretty good company.

Lots of posters saying the same thing, not voting because of poor skewed options.

Good company, but between the two, McDavid is on track to reach those top-5 greats while Kucherov is kind of similar to when the likes of Selanne or Hull scoring over 70+ goals.

 

[SillyRabbit]

Yes when something hasn't been done in 30 years and then two people do it in the same year it is pretty obvious there are some larger environmental things at play and not just their individual ability.

Still a great accomplishment though.

The current scoring environment is very interesting because it's not just that scoring is up.

It's that scoring is up specifically for top line players.

The overall league scoring environment has been high in the past.

But today, it seems that top line players are scoring at a much higher rate than in previous high scoring eras.

Might be something to do with PP's, minutes, usage, deployment, new offensive tactics/strategies, or weaker defense, but it's a great time to be a star offensive player in the NHL.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

In a way yes, but still very impressive.

Most impressive

 

[ijuka]

Scoring pretty obviously is up.. That doesn't diminish the value of the achievement. Wasn't scoring even higher when Gretzky and Lemieux got 100 assists?

 

[authentic]

The current scoring environment is very interesting because it's not just that scoring is up.

It's that scoring is up specifically for top line players.

The overall league scoring environment has been high in the past.

But today, it seems that top line players are scoring at a much higher rate than in previous high scoring eras.

Might be something to do with PP's, minutes, usage, deployment, new offensive tactics/strategies, or weaker defense, but it's a great time to be a star offensive player in the NHL.

From past eras scoring is most similar to 1995-96 except the top players scored even more

 

[Jetcetera]

yes, It's proportionate. If someone did this in like 2015 when jamie benn won the art ross with 87 pts then I'd be a lot more impressed but scoring is way up to the highest its been since the 90s. 100 assists is inevitable

 

[Shark Finn]

wtf are these poll options

 

[bert]

Would you rather be in a group of 4 or 5? It’s obviously not as great but still a fantastic accomplishment.

Its 4 or 7.

 

[Voight]

Ya only 3 players in history have gotten 40 goals and 100 assists.
Gretzky and Lemieux the other 2, pretty good company.

Lots of posters saying the same thing, not voting because of poor skewed options.

They are also the only 3 players to score 30+ points in back to back postseasons.

 

[Kingfan1967]

If we start seeing 100 assists on a regular basis, then yes it will be diminished, but right now , nope.

 

[Staniowski]

Of course not, they are two of the very best playmakers in the history of hockey.

 

[PALE PWNR]

No, but they wouldn't have gotten 100 assists 5 years ago

 

[bert]

The poll question is very different from the title. I voted based on the title.

 

[authentic]

yes, It's proportionate. If someone did this in like 2015 when jamie benn won the art ross with 87 pts then I'd be a lot more impressed but scoring is way up to the highest its been since the 90s. 100 assists is inevitable

The only player in NHL history who would've got 100 assists in a season like this is Gretzky at his peak.

 

[Mickey Marner]

It's the lowest scoring season that 100 assists has ever been accomplished in, so it's still impressive even if scoring is up relative to a few years ago.

 

[Three On Zero]

I don’t think having two players hit 100 assists marginalizes the accomplishment, but it does show how scoring is trending lately. Unfortunate we can’t see another player break the 70 goal mark

 

[tucker3434]

I mean, if you put 05-07 Thornton or 06-07 Crosby into this season, they're probably getting pretty close. 3 guys this year would've won the Art Ross in those years by at least 7 points.

It's a big accomplishment, but I don't think it's significantly better than those guys.

 

[Video Nasty]

I mean, if you put 05-07 Thornton or 06-07 Crosby into this season, they're probably getting pretty close. 3 guys this year would've won the Art Ross in those years by at least 7 points.

It's a big accomplishment, but I don't think it's significantly better than those guys.

Crosby in particular feasted off all-time high power-play opportunities. 48 of his 84 assists came off the PP. Thornton was a bit better, where 40 and 44 of his 96 and 92 assists in 2005-2006 and 2006-2007 came from the PP.

McDavid had 37 and Kucherov had 40 of their 100 from the PP.

In fact, during the 7 seasons that Crosby cleared 60 assists in his career, he depended on the PP to account for around half of that total 4 times.

 

[Jetcetera]

The only player in NHL history who would've got 100 assists in a season like this is Gretzky at his peak.

Joe Thornton nearly did it in an era when scoring was lower so this is nonsense

 

[Golden_Jet]

Joe Thornton nearly did it in an era when scoring was lower so this is nonsense

Today 3.11 g/game
06/07 2.95 goals

Works out to 13 goals for the season, so likely comes up just short.

40 goals and 100 assists only done by Kuch, Gretzky and Lemieux

 

[WayTooCold]

The level of goaltending is at all time low. So yes.

 

[authentic]

Joe Thornton nearly did it in an era when scoring was lower so this is nonsense

Oh it’s not nonsense at all, Thornton had 96 assists in a season that had 16 players with more points than the Art Ross winner of that season, 7 100+ point scorers, and 2 120+ point scorers. That season was much closer to this current one

 

[Golden_Jet]

Oh it’s not nonsense at all, Thornton had 96 assists

92 points,

in a season that had 16 players with more points than the Art Ross winner of that season,

lol, I believe you mean more assists than some had points, as it’s literally impossible to have more points than the art Ross winner.
so 12 players

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

The only player in NHL history who would've got 100 assists in a season like this is Gretzky at his peak.

False. Lemieux had 92 in 70gp in a similar scoring season.

 

[authentic]

92 points,

lol, I believe you mean more assists than some had points, as it’s literally impossible to have more points than the art Ross winner.
so 12 players

The original post I replied to was saying how obviously no one would've had 100 assists in the season Benn scored 87, I said only Gretzky at his peak could've done that. They then responded saying Thornton could've since he had 96 assists in a lower scoring era, I then explained that 2005-06 was closer to this season in scoring than the one Benn won the Ross with 87 points, and 16 players in 2005-06 had more points than the Art Ross winner that season.

False. Lemieux had 92 in 70gp in a similar scoring season.

I'm talking about the one where Benn won the Art Ross with 87 points. That was the original post I responded to.