Do any NHLers have out clauses if a franchise relocates?

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  1. kurt

    kurt the last emperor

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    Just curious. I know there is wording like this for athlete contracts in other sports. Maybe an activated player option, or something.

    It seems Michael Nylander's wife would insist on something like this.
     
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    no they dont
    if the team moves so do you
     
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    That's actually an interesting question. None that I'm aware of, though take that with a massive grain of salt as I don't claim to be an expert or well-versed on the issue of NHL contracts.
     
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    Thanks for the detailed and well punctuated sentiments.

    Sarcasm aside, and if that is in fact the case, is this a part of the CBA or some other NHL contractual governance, prohibiting the use of or voiding such clauses?
     
  5. Retail1LO*

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    I know nothing of the CBA, but I have to imagine language like that would be prohibited.

    Someone else posed a similar question, asking if a player that had a no movement clause would be ground for release if the team moved. If any number of players had these, it would nearly cripple a team if it were to move.
     
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    This is not permitted by the current CBA, Ilya Kovalchuk wanted one during his negotiations with the Thrashers last year and was told it was not allowed.
     
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    The way I understand it is that you sign a contract with the franchise. If the franchise happens to move to a new city then I guess you're out of luck as you're not moving from one franchise to another.
     
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    As far as i know any NMC is such an out clause. Doan and Whitney have one with Phoenix and would've been UFA's if the Coyotes already moved. At least that is what i thought.
     
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    You thought wrong. They would have moved, although likely would have been traded if the new owners wanted to be kind...
     
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    This would be different than a standard NMC, and yes I understand that if a franchise moves, contracts typically move with them - unless clauses in a player's contract express otherwise.

    Cool, this is the answer I was looking for.
     
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    So Kovalchuk knew a year ago the team was likely toast.
     
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    That's the way I mostly put it: You sign with the team/NHL, not with the city of ____________(Fill in the blank. In this case write in "Atlanta")
     
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    That reads like a really good explanation of things. One fuzzy area though was the paragraph "if a contract expressly provides that a player can walk if a team relocates, then the player can walk. That, however, would be highly unlikely."

    How would we know if any contract expressly provides that? Are player contracts public record somewhere I don't know about? I've been relying on what others say (that no contract can have such an express 'out clause') yet that blog is asserting it is not impossible, just highly unlikely... makes me wonder 'which is it?'

    and if no one actually has such a clause it's kind of a moot point.
     
  15. kurt

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    I was just about to ask the same thing. This is the root of my question, which a few of the posters in this thread seem to be overlooking through oversimplification.

    The comment earlier regarding Kovalchuk suggests such clauses are against the rules. Which rules, I'm not yet certain.
     
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    Sigh. This has been answered umpteen times in the past.

    1. There are NO player or team options of any kind permitted under the CBA - other than pre-lockout SPCs grandfathered in. A team relocating will have zero effect on any SPC.


    2. NMCs are completely irrelevant w.r.t. a relocation - A relocation is neither a Trade, Loan, or Waiver claim.

     
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    Part of buying an organization is buying any contracts and player rights that belong to the team. That's how I usually put it.
     
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    nope

    even players with NMC are hooped as they are staying with the same organization and not changing organizations

    PLayers have been known to retire instead of changing teams

    When the jets moved to Phoenix Thomas Steen was reportedly devastated and left the nhl instead of signing again
     

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