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If it was Messi in the 80s he'd be 5 foot 4 living in a hut somewhere in Argentina.
I don't think anyone said 'goals like that' can't be scored only that he wouldn't score them today (or rather that the defence wouldn't look like that today, even in Messi's goal it was more impressive IMO as they were not just basically allowing Messi to walk through them).
I think the goals are strikingly similar, only at a faster pace in the case of Messi's goal. The defenders scarcely get near him either.
But from memory, the Messi goal did not occur in a game played in the height of the Mexican summer, in the sun's full glare. Those factors helped Maradona, and made the defenders look even weaker than they were.
I mean he'd never score against stoke. During the rain or some shitMaradona was good because it was sunny? What?
Maradona was good because it was sunny? What?
I suppose this is the old-timer's version of "but can he do it on a cold, wet Wednesday night in Stoke"
I was wondering if it was some sort of Hoddleism* for trying to pass off the historic track record of Englishmen being unable to defend. "You see Clive, we don't have the sun like that in Premier League so when those players are facing it they don't know how to react properly."Welcome to HF Boards, Steve Bannon.
If you're going to put words in my mouth in future, please note that I can forgive the inaccuracy, but I consider the use of cliche unpardonable.
I was wondering if it was some sort of Hoddleism* for trying to pass off the historic track record of Englishmen being unable to defend. "You see Clive, we don't have the sun like that in Premier League so when those players are facing it they don't know how to react properly."
*being compared to Glenn Hoddle is surely worse than cliché, I know
I know all about Scottish football players being too useless to deal with the weather: BBC SPORT | Football | Internationals | Macedonia 1-0 ScotlandI'd rather be compared to Hitler, Stalin, or even Dan Brown than Glenn Hoddle.
I don't know if you've read this account of Scotland at the 1986 World Cup. But if you run your eye over it, you'll note the effects that the heat had on Graeme Souness.
Booze, togas and a persistent Mariachi band: The story of Scotland at Mexico 86
And lest we forget, Souness had played the previous two years in the warmer climes of Italy. He was also good at football.
I'd rather be compared to Hitler, Stalin, or even Dan Brown than Glenn Hoddle.
Messi is incredibly overrated as he dominates on an allstar team but never caried argentina like maradona did.
Lmfaoo yeahMessi is incredibly overrated as he dominates on an allstar team but never caried argentina like maradona did.
You can not compare two players of different ages, but above all you can not compare Maradona with any other player that ever existed. He was the greatest of all time.
Messi is incredibly overrated as he dominates on an allstar team but never caried argentina like maradona did.
This thread makes it sound like Maradona was Matt Le Tissier.
Either your opinion of Matt Le Tissier is significantly higher than most people's, or your brain is shutting out all the complimentary remarks this thread features about Maradona, even by many of those who dispute the claim he's the best ever.
If you think we're a bunch of big meanies, bear in mind that had an HF Boards existed in the summer of 1984, the soccer forum would have been full of arguments about whether Maradona was the most overrated player in history.
The reasons for that would have been pretty obvious: his underwhelming performances at the 82 World Cup allied to his disappointing, albeit injury-marred, couple of years with Barcelona, despite his having the great Bernd Schuster for a sidekick.
It wasn't until Maradona was 25 years old that the explosion came, and after his thirtieth birthday he was more walking soap opera than footballer of substance. His case to be the greatest of all time rests on how we judge a four year window lasting between the summers of 86 and 90. This thread posts the perfect opportunity for anyone who disagrees with that assessment to say why. Then again, so did the previous thread about the same subject, and no one had much to say about Maradona's achievements pre-86 or post-90 then, either.
If it was Messi in the 80s he'd be 5 foot 4 living in a hut somewhere in Argentina.
I don't even have a chihuahua in this fight, I'm born 1981 so I didn't see Maradona at his best. My dad was impressed by him though but disliked him at the same time. When I struggled tying my shoelaces at kindergarten he told me "do you think Maradona get help tying his shoes?" I guess this was around 1986–1987 when the hype was at its Auston Matthews-level.