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  1. Heat McManus

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    I saw a Canucks top 25, and I'm bored. I've only been watching hockey since about 1992 so I didn't feel qualified to make up an adequate list that went before that. So here is....



    Devils Top 25...since 1993

    1. Scott Stevens
    2. Martin Brodeur
    3. Ken Daneyko
    4. John MacLean
    5. Scott Niedermayer
    6. Bruce Driver
    7. Claude Lemieux
    8. Bobby Holik
    9. Patrick Elias
    10. Slava Fetisov
    11. John Madden
    12. Sergei Brylin
    13. Scott Gomez
    14. Petr Sykora
    15. Randy McKay
    16. Jason Arnott
    17. Jay Pandolfo
    18. Brian Gionta
    19. Valeri Zelepukin
    20. Colin White
    21. Stephane Richer
    22. Brian Rafalski
    23. Jamie Langenbrunner
    24. Alexander Mogilny
    25. Bill Guerin
     
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    25 is alot so I'll do a top 10.
    1. Martin Brodeur
    2. Scott Stevens
    3. John MacLean
    4. Kirk Muller
    5. Patrick Elias- When all is said and done he might be #2.
    6. Scott Neidermeyer
    7. Ken Daneyko
    8. Bruce Driver
    9. Pat Verbeek
    10. Bobby Holik
     
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    How can Niedermayer not be third?? :dunno: :dunno:

    He's always been better than Daneyko, and he's done more than MacLean.

    Three cups, norris, allstar, best no 2 in the league while playing b/h Stevens.
     
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    I put him there because he was always a Devils staple. He'd been on the team and played in every playoff game since their opening season (until he was scratched for a few in 03), i'm sure Niedermayer will end his career at no 3 for me though.
     
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    Gionta ahead of Rafalski?
     
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    New Jersey Devils All-Time Team

    Forwards
    #10 Aaron Broten [1982-1990] - #9 Kirk Muller [1984-1991] - #12 Pat Verbeek [1982-1989]
    #26 Patrik Elias [1995-2004] - #25 Jason Arnott [1997-2002] - #17 Petr Sykora [1995-2002]
    #22 Claude Lemieux [1990-1995; 1999-2000] - #20 Scott Gomez [2000-2004] - #15 John MacLean [1983-1998]
    #11 John Madden [1998-2004] - #16 Bobby Holik [1992-2002] - #21 Randy McKay [1991-2002]
    #44 Stephane Richer [1991-1996; 2001-2002] - #19 Bobby Carpenter [1993-1999]

    Defensemen
    #4 Scott Stevens [1991-2004] - #28 Brian Rafalski [1999-2004]
    #2 Viaschlav Fetisov [1989-1995] - #27 Scott Niedermayer [1991-2004]
    #3 Ken Daneyko [1983-2003] - #23 Bruce Driver [1983-1995]
    #6 Tommy Albelin [1988-1996; 2001-2004]

    Goalies
    #30 Martin Brodeur [1991-2004]
    #35 Chris Terreri [1986-1996; 1998-2001]


    Coach: Jacques Lemaire
    Assistants: Pat Burns, Larry Robinson

    Captain: Scott Stevens
    Alternates: Bruce Driver, Kirk Muller

    General Manager: Lou Lamoriello


    Top Twenty-Five Devils Players of All-Time

    1. Martin Brodeur
    2. Scott Stevens
    3. John MacLean
    4. Scott Niedermayer
    5. Patrik Elias
    6. Ken Daneyko
    7. Claude Lemieux
    8. Bobby Holik
    9. Kirk Muller
    10. Bruce Driver
    11. Aaron Broten
    12. Pat Verbeek
    13. Brian Rafalski
    14. Randy McKay
    15. Viaschlav Fetisov
    16. Scott Gomez
    17. Petr Sykora
    18. Stephane Richer
    19. John Madden
    20. Bobby Carpenter
    21. Tommy Albelin
    22. Chris Terreri
    23. Billy Guerin
    24. Sergei Brylin
    25. Joe Cirella
     
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    Best list I've seen. Only issue I'd have is that Fetisov is a bit too high. Only played 5 years and didn't play on any of the Devils Cup winning teams.


    Gomez, Madden, Brylin, Terreri have all certainly been better Devils.

    Also Shanahan deserves a spot down low on the list, even though he only played 4 years.
     
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    Could the Devils have won their recent cups without Madden?I don't think so.
    They still could have won without some of the others though.Madden is what
    the Devils are all about especially come playoff time.You are supposed to be
    naming the best "New Jersey Devils" not the best "Tampa Bay Lightning" if
    you see what I'm getting at.
     
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    Some other guys with at least 4 years as a Devil, Brendan Shanahan, Patrik Sundstrom, Doug Brown, Alexei Kasatonov, Chico Resch, Sean Burke, Craig Wolanin, Randy Velischek, Mark Johnson, and Mel Bridgeman.

    If you count his Colorado days, Chico is top 10 worthy, and even without he's only a 100 games or so behind Terreri over a much shorter period.
     
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    Niedermayer when it's all said and done will be number 3 behind Brodeur and Stevens.
     
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    I might be alone on this but I'm just not that high on Neidermayer. He doesn't put up overly great points and his D is inconsistent. Don't get me wrong I do think that he's a very good defenseman just a little over-rated.

    I also think that right now Brian Rafalski is the Devils top D-man. He's completely under valued around the league. While he doesn't have Neidermayers game breaking ability or flash, I feel that he's better in all zones and one of the best one on one defenseman that I've seen in a long time.
     
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    You know nothing about the devils and their system. Its obvious based on that statement. Actually based on that statement it is obvious that you never seen a Devils game ever.

    Niedermayer's allround game is his best asset by far. His defense is not inconsistant, it is consistantly great. If anything his offense has been inconsistant. Rafalski was one of our worst defensmen last year, Rafalski is lost without Stevens. His defense was horrible and his offensive numbers went down. He is actually behind Paul Martin at the moment. I may even consider Colin White better then Rafalski at the moment. Let White play with Stevens can see how much more solid his game is.
     
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    Bwahahahaha Whites stupid penaltys is the reason that the Devils never won back to back. Also if your seeing any games up there you would see that Rafalski has to shoulder the burden of playing with Stevens. Teams attack Rafalski's side of the ice to avoid Stevens. Plus thats the pair that is seeing time against the other teams top lines. If you would watch Devils games instead of Devils highlights you might see that Neidermayer makes a few mistakes per game and at times still forces passes.
     
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    I have Sundstrom next on the list - he's one of my favorite all-time players - followed by Shanahan and Velischek. I don't know what to do with Burke... he could be really high or not on the list at all. Mark Johnson also deserves some credit, but Bridgeman never did anything spectacular.
     
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    Colin White is our #6.

    With Stevens, our defense is as follows:

    Niedermayer
    Stevens
    Rafalski
    Martin
    Matvichuk
    White
    Hale

    Despite outplaying Rafalski much of last season, I loathe to put Martin over him - he's still young.
     
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    I don't care if he is young. He played better then Rafalski the whole 2nd half of the season and there is no looking back now. I also think you underate White alot. He was our best defensmen in the playoffs vs Philly and was solid down the stretch.
     
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    I'm not sure if you do watch devils games. Niedermayer's the most reliable d man in the NHL not named Lidstrom. You don't see him out of position very often, and even when he is his blinding speed allows him to get back.

    Defensemen don't win the Norris trophy by making 'a few mistakes per game'.

    I kind of agree with the Rafalski bashing, b/c imo he is overrated, but lay off Niedermayer b/c you are wrong.
     
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    Pft... You might want to watch Paul Coffey play sometime. Not that Niedermayer is that bad on D but IMO his game is very high/low. Last year he had very few bad games but it was his best year since '99 and between that time I didn't think that he played very well at all.
    I think that you guys are taking this the wrong way. I'm not Niedermayer bashing. I know that he's ultra clutch and his high end game is awsome. While Rafalski doesn't have his high end game, I think that he is more steady shift for shift.
     
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    Pft...if you're saying Rafalski is more steady shift to shift than Niedermayer than I guess we agree to disagree.

    I'd rather have Niedermayer in a heartbeat over Rafalski. If Rafalski didn't have a D partner named Scott Stevens, I think u might feel differently.

    I don't mean that I'm secretly in love with Niedermayer (not even a devils fan), but he's so smooth with the puck, and I rarely see him ever make a mistake or getting caught out of position. Rafalski can get overpowered in the defensive zone by bigger forwards. Niedermayer is much better at containing the larger forwards (even though their size is comparable - Nieds a little taller).
     
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    A better idea would be taking the Niedermayer vs. Rafalski argument over to the Devils board. It would be interested who they view as more valuable over the last several years.
     
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    Thats my point though. Rafalski's side of the ice gets flooded with players that want to avoid Stevens. Being on the top unit used against almost all 1st lines around the league he handles the pressure well and almost never makes a mistake. He also uses his size to his advantage and gets under bigger players to through them off balance. He may be short but the guy has the build of a tank with oak tree legs. He'll never win a popularity contest against Niedermayer because he doesn't have the glitz but IMO he's more consistent.
     
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    I'm in the middle on this. Yes, Rafalski struggled without Stevens. But when he does play with Stevens, he holds his own as a top pairing Dman, I don't care how good Stevens is, he's not good enough to make an average defenseman look as good as Rafalski has looked for the last few years.

    Also I disagree that he stuggles against larger forwards. From what I've seen, Rafalski uses his small frame very well, almost like Brian Giona, though admitedly not as physical. I've seen him stand up some very large forwards 1 on 1, and his skating is superb.

    That being said, you're crazy if you criticize Niedermayer's game. In the past he's been inconsistant offensively, but he can control the game in his own end.
     
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