Prospect Info: Devils Prospect Rankings By Position

[glenwo2]

Just facts bro.

Ouch.

 

[JimEIV]

i noticed you picked very specific players there.

the difference between our prospects in 2015 and now is that now we have several medium to high ceiling prospects at almost every single position, so we’re more likely to hit on a handful. back then, we put all our eggs in the reid boucher basket because we eventually had to give up on 1st round picks bergfors, tedenby, josefson, and the rest of the failure parade. and despite the impressive AHL career he’s built by age 27, reid boucher went nowhere at the nhl level, just like the others.

The difference between now and 2015 is we have sucked for a decade as oppose to 4 years in 2011, 2013, 2014 and 2015 with no picks...you better damn well have better prospects picking in the top half of every round for 5 years...thing is 2015 was 5 years ago and we literally have nothing ready to enter the league right now.

 

[Smitty426]

The Devils already had perhaps the NHL's deepest prospect pool entering the 2020 draft, but they were a bit lacking in high-end talent. Three first round picks certainly helped address this.

The depth of the prospect pool is staggering. Most teams have maybe five or six players you hope will make it as NHL regulars. The Devils have players outside of their top 20 prospects who have legitimate NHL possibilities and who would easily make the top 10 lists for most NHL organizations.



Right Defense
1 Case McCarthy
2 Reilly Walsh
The alarming opposite of the Devils strength at LD -- the RD situation is pretty troubling. Of course, all of that changes if Ty Smith becomes a full-time RD, because the kid is just a tremendous talent. McCarthy easily tops this list, he was an outstanding defensive and physical force for Boston University as an 18 year old, and his puck skills are underrated. Walsh needs work in his own end, but he brings mid-pairing caliber offensive skills and projects to be a better version of Will Butcher, since he is a clearly superior skater.

Steve, how bout using our cap space to get some righty D just about ready to ask the big clubs? Who woudl you target. Thanks for all the good work, we all appreciate it!

 

[MartyOwns]

The difference between now and 2015 is we have sucked for a decade as oppose to 4 years in 2011, 2013, 2014 and 2015 with no picks...you better damn well have better prospects picking in the top half of every round for 5 years...thing is 2015 was 5 years ago and we literally have nothing ready to enter the league right now.

with no picks? we had 29 by my count, and 6 of them had actual (if largely unimpressive) nhl careers. when you suck, you’re supposed sell your assets, draft well, and rebuild your team. instead, we f***ed around, plugging lineup holes with washed up veterans, trading top 10 picks for prime goalies and dudek-ing up the picks we actually had. i’ve seen better organization at the DMV.

it’s been a slow process, i get that. but a well-structured hockey organization wasn’t built in a day. i think as time goes on you’ll get that

 

[beekay414]

Putting an arbitrary timeline on a complete rebuild is asinine anyways.

 

[Cheddabombs]

Funny how I can't see the whole conversation but I know exactly what's happening lol

 

[OmNomNom]

i like having dissenting opinions, its what makes our boards so active

 

[Eggtimer]

Trying not to be a Debbie Downer here but..
Only impactful prospects worth a crap I see are Smith Holtz Foote and Mercer. (Top 6 potential or top 4 D ) with possibly Bahl added to the list as hopefully a #4 D .
Another way of saying it is I would not be disappointed if we traded anyone of our prospects that I didn’t have listed for a young NHL roster player .
It’s not like I would be “ohhh nooooooo! I can’t believe we traded Boqvist and Walsh for Player X (Sergachev lol) “

I’d trade for some more quality over quantity .
Rather have one Hotlz prospect vs 10 “meh” prospects .

 

[glenwo2]

Trying not to be a Debbie Downer here but..
Only impactful prospects worth a crap I see are Smith Holtz Foote and Mercer. (Top 6 potential or top 4 D ) with possibly Bahl added to the list as hopefully a #4 D .
Another way of saying it is I would not be disappointed if we traded anyone of our prospects that I didn’t have listed for a young NHL roster player .
It’s not like I would be “ohhh nooooooo! I can’t believe we traded Boqvist and Walsh for Player X (Sergachev lol) “

I’d trade for some more quality over quantity .
Rather have one Hotlz prospect vs 10 “meh” prospects .

Ty Smith has now entered the Chat.

 

[Blackjack]

Ty Smith has now entered the Chat.

Nobody tell him

 

[Guttersniped]

You actually need depth players too. You need a content flow of players on ELCs and value contracts. It’s not just superstars, UFAs and vets on standard contracts. A player becoming a bottom six player or bottom four defenseman on a ELC can be a player that brings plenty of value and cap flexibility in hard cap system.

Also, all picks outside the 1st round and about first half of the 2nd round are dart board picks because you’ve run out of identifiable top talent and everyone is a long shot. We haven’t had any extra 1sts until 2020, never had an extra 2nd and Ray traded four of our 2nds in a row even though we were terrible/rebuilding (and traded back once so we never drafted earlier than 41 in the 2nd round once in five, soon to be six, years).

Look at the 3rd round and later in any of the 7th round drafts and the few players that contribute outside of the late gems are depth players or late developers or fringe players who really never make it. Go to Hockeydb and take a look, it gets rough in those rounds. No teams, not even the top scouting teams, are hitting mass successes quickly in the later rounds in such a short period that some of you seem to be expecting.

Yes, a lot of these guys aren’t going to make the NHL but I think our scouts are above average, not Carolina-like maybe, but I have faith. But, like the whining about the non-generational 1AOs, the whining about “waaah where are all are superstars“ is beyond getting old. Lou trading for Cory Schneider and Ray trading 2nds, who f***ing cares, that’s life and players often take different amounts of time to develop.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Id place Mukhamadullin above Bahl based purely on highest end potential and quick progression. and Bastian behind Mercer and Holtz, perhaps Thompson as well since you seem to like him a lot. Im a big fan of Bastians and have liked his play so far in the NHL and AHL. Think he could end up a good third liner for us and I hope he manages to stick to the main roster this year! I also feel you have Studenic mighty low, I have loved Studenic’ international play!

 

[AusDev]

Funny how I can't see the whole conversation but I know exactly what's happening lol

Yeah I was thinking exactly the same thing haha

 

[Guadana]

Trying not to be a Debbie Downer here but..
Only impactful prospects worth a crap I see are Smith Holtz Foote and Mercer. (Top 6 potential or top 4 D ) with possibly Bahl added to the list as hopefully a #4 D .
Another way of saying it is I would not be disappointed if we traded anyone of our prospects that I didn’t have listed for a young NHL roster player .
It’s not like I would be “ohhh nooooooo! I can’t believe we traded Boqvist and Walsh for Player X (Sergachev lol) “

I’d trade for some more quality over quantity .
Rather have one Hotlz prospect vs 10 “meh” prospects .

sergachev seems not,.. but they should protect guys. Seattle draft. Foote, Cernak, McDonagh and Sergachyov are under fire. Hedman has nmc. They will lose someone for nothing. Or they can trade Cernak for Boqvist, who is protectEd, + something.

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

I think as time goes on you’ll get that

... or not!

 

[SJinNewJersey]

Id place Mukhamadullin above Bahl based purely on highest end potential and quick progression. and Bastian behind Mercer and Holtz, perhaps Thompson as well since you seem to like him a lot. Im a big fan of Bastians and have liked his play so far in the NHL and AHL. Think he could end up a good third liner for us and I hope he manages to stick to the main roster this year! I also feel you have Studenic mighty low, I have loved Studenic’ international play!

I like Bastian alot too. Most won't agree, but I would like to see him get a few games with Jack just to see if they click.

 

[TBF1972]

Funny how I can't see the whole conversation but I know exactly what's happening lol

you also ignore jim.

 

[TBF1972]

i like having dissenting opinions, its what makes our boards so active

it also gets you warned, banned or in minor cases you lose the like button for a few weeks.

 

[Triumph]

Reid Boucher was a good prospect. He narrowly missed being an NHLer and was probably the best scoring forward in the AHL before he left for the KHL. The issue with Reid Boucher is not his not making it - it's that when that is your best prospect, your prospect pipeline is likely in rough shape. Reid Boucher had very little chance at being a top-line scorer - at best he would be a Michael Ryder type. And I like Michael Ryder and wish we had a player like that in the system - maybe Graeme Clarke is that.

 

[TBF1972]

@StevenToddIves 2020 To Do list:
1) Write up of the 2020 draft prospect done
2) Rank all 2020 draft prospect overall and by position done
3) Forcast the 2020 draft done
4) Analyze and grade the Devils 2020 draft picks done
5) Rank the Devils prospect pipeline by position (as ordered by myself) done
6) Provide the winning lottery numbers of NEXT week outstanding

@StevenToddIves 2021 To Do list:
1) Write up of the 2021 draft prospect outstanding
2) Rank all 2021 draft prospect overall and by position outstanding
3) Forcast the 2021 draft outstanding
4) Analyze and grade the Devils 2021 draft picks outstanding
5) Rank the Devils prospect pipeline by position (as ordered by myself) outstanding
6) Provide the winning lottery numbers of NEXT week conditional: if I already burned all the cash from this year

THANKS A LOT once again for the huge amount of work and the great insight provided

 

[TBF1972]

Someone posted their model attempted to project prospects’ production from ages 18-23. He used his model to to evaluate “Team Prospect Pipelines by using the NHL Expected Value metric for each prospect”, this is before the lastest draft and includes players in the NHL.
Applied Prospect PipeLinE (APPLE): Assisting the analysis of hockey prospects using Recurrent Neural Networks

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most important take away: the forwards are only ranked 4th. we need to draft more forwards. we need to draft better forwards.

 

[JimEIV]

with no picks? we had 29 by my count, and 6 of them had actual (if largely unimpressive) nhl careers. when you suck, you’re supposed sell your assets, draft well, and rebuild your team. instead, we f***ed around, plugging lineup holes with washed up veterans, trading top 10 picks for prime goalies and dudek-ing up the picks we actually had. i’ve seen better organization at the DMV.

it’s been a slow process, i get that. but a well-structured hockey organization wasn’t built in a day. i think as time goes on you’ll get that

Drafted players

When Shero stepped in this is what was here or just about ready.
Larsson - Severson - Merrill - Wood - Herique - Coleman - All 24 or younger I won't even count Zacha or Blackwood but in 2015 we all counted those picks as being our best prospect no matter who we picked well before Shero.

After 5 years of Shero, this is what is here or ready - Hughes, Hischier, Bratt...I'll even throw in Boqvist for ya. That is with 2 #1OA selections....That sucks ass no matter how you slice.

 

[Blackjack]

Drafted players

When Shero stepped in this is what was here or just about ready.
Larsson - Severson - Merrill - Wood - Herique - Coleman - All 24 or younger I won't even count Zacha or Blackwood but in 2015 we all counted those picks as being our best prospect no matter who we picked well before Shero.

After 5 years of Shero, this is what is here or ready - Hughes, Hischier, Bratt...I'll even throw in Boqvist for ya. That is with 2 #1OA selections....That sucks ass no matter how you slice.

Wow, struggling to figure out how we didn't win a cup. Miles Wood AND Jon Merrill? Holy shit.

 

[Triumph]

Drafted players

When Shero stepped in this is what was here or just about ready.
Larsson - Severson - Merrill - Wood - Herique - Coleman - All 24 or younger I won't even count Zacha or Blackwood but in 2015 we all counted those picks as being our best prospect no matter who we picked well before Shero.

After 5 years of Shero, this is what is here or ready - Hughes, Hischier, Bratt...I'll even throw in Boqvist for ya. That is with 2 #1OA selections....That sucks ass no matter how you slice.

They traded Anderson for Johnsson. So let's put Johnsson in there. Blake Coleman was not even close to ready when Shero got here and neither was Miles Wood - Wood would have a terrible rookie season in 2016-17, Coleman wouldn't get off the 4th line until 2018-19. Jon Merrill just signed UFA for less than a million dollars.

So yes, letting all of Shero/Castron's picks actually play their careers out might be helpful to this.

 

[Oneiro]

Jesper Bratt has had single shifts better than the entire careers of Zacha, Wood, Merrill and Larsson.