Devils 2018-19 team discussion (news and notes) - part IX

[Maine Fan]

Agree, especially with the zacha part, but Shero clearly doesn’t believe in depth so here we are

How do you know Shero doesn't believe in depth?

 

[MadDevil]

while we wait for the poop clouds to gather, who would you call the worst on the team? i’d have to go with noesen

Drew Stafford. Although he hasn't played very much, so I'm not sure how much he'd even be in consideration.

 

[Devils Dominion]

Problem: who do you they replace him with?

Lappin

 

[MartyOwns]

The frustration for Wood is his decision making and inability to control the puck this year.

I think the decision making is coming from Wood trying to grow as a player so I think that will get better. I hope his puck control improves because it’s very harmful offensively and defensively right now.

If Wood had a few more pucks ping pong in the net then people wouldn’t be harping on him and, at least right now I’m his career, I think luck plays a big portion in his goals so he is more prone to large streaks, good and bad, than others players may be.

great post, i don’t disagree at all. he’s only 23, it wouldn’t be the first time a kid signs his first big contract and lays an egg the first year. i’m confident he can rebound next year

Drew Stafford. Although he hasn't played very much, so I'm not sure how much he'd even be in consideration.

haha yeah i considered him too. but i went with noesen since stafford barely plays (as you noted) and he is more useful on the PK and in the shootout

 

[Call Me Al]

id like to see lappin get another chance honestly. he's not a difference maker but he plays hard and has a nose for the net at least

 

[MadDevil]

Noesen is pretty much useless away from Zajac and Coleman. Luckily we only gave him a one year deal so we can get rid of him pretty easily if we need to.

As for Zacha, it is rather annoying that he only seems to play well offensively after he gets scratched/demoted. Then after a few games he's back to passive Zacha again. It's so frustrating because you can see the ability is there, he just doesn't seem to want to use it for whatever reason.

 

[JK3]

Noesen's pretty much a whatever scrubini dime a dozen bottom six guy, yeah he's been bad but I'm not expecting much. Zacha's 4 points as 2c is laughably bad, just pathetic, we're counting on him (yadda yadda something about defense...whatever). Wood's hold out and subsequent vanishing act has him on my shit list too, he's another one we were counting on to take a step. They're supposed be impacting the game not my liver.

 

[guitarguyvic]

Noesen is pretty much useless away from Zajac and Coleman. Luckily we only gave him a one year deal so we can get rid of him pretty easily if we need to.

As for Zacha, it is rather annoying that he only seems to play well offensively after he gets scratched/demoted. Then after a few games he's back to passive Zacha again. It's so frustrating because you can see the ability is there, he just doesn't seem to want to use it for whatever reason.

Could it be that...and hear me out here...maybe he's just not that good?

 

[zharkenby]

How are you guys getting the Zacha points question so wrong? The stats are literally Googleable: Pavel Zacha Stats and News

He had goals three games in a row, then zero points since (9 games). And a healthy -4 to boot.

Hahahahahaha wow. Do better guys

 

[Call Me Al]

can't believe he doesn't have a single assist the whole season, like you can have nothing to do with a play and still luck into an assist at some point, especially playing center

 

[zharkenby]

So I legitimately was not trolling with the zacha question, I was unsure. But the fact that some of you said yes proves you’re just being fanboys.

Awful awful hockey player, and because ray didn’t do anything since last February, there’s no one that can step into his role. So rather than let him develop, he’s playing a role that he can’t cone close to handling. 4 points in 24 games is laughable for a second line center.

BUST

 

[devilsblood]

How are you guys getting the Zacha points question so wrong? The stats are literally Googleable: Pavel Zacha Stats and News

He had goals three games in a row, then zero points since (9 games). And a healthy -4 to boot.

They must have took away a point, think it was the Zajac goal on a PP a couple games back. But during the game he was credited with an assist.

 

[zharkenby]

How do you know Shero doesn't believe in depth?

Our roster lol

 

[devilsblood]

So I legitimately was not trolling with the zacha question, I was unsure. But the fact that some of you said yes proves you’re just being fanboys.

Like I said above, during the game they credited him with an assist, they must have taken it away.

So it's not about being a fanboy.

 

[Devils Dominion]

can't believe he doesn't have a single assist the whole season, like you can have nothing to do with a play and still luck into an assist at some point, especially playing center

He's either not ready or simply not good.

 

[Triumph]

can't believe he doesn't have a single assist the whole season, like you can have nothing to do with a play and still luck into an assist at some point, especially playing center

He's not good and also unlucky. There've been 10 goals scored not by him with him on the ice and he doesn't have an assist on any of them. The odd thing is that his GF/60 is still 45th percentile or so, so goals are still going in at a good 3rd line rate with him on the ice.

 

[MartyOwns]

So I legitimately was not trolling with the zacha question, I was unsure. But the fact that some of you said yes proves you’re just being fanboys.

Awful awful hockey player, and because ray didn’t do anything since last February, there’s no one that can step into his role. So rather than let him develop, he’s playing a role that he can’t cone close to handling. 4 points in 24 games is laughable for a second line center.

BUST

it’s a really odd thing to ask a question that you could’ve easily looked up yourself, and when people attempt to answer it to the best of their recollection you take it as a feather in your cap.

it’s even odder to say that there are zacha fanboys on these boards. i can’t think of anybody outside of ZBC (who disappeared mysteriously?) who kept pumping the guy’s tires, talking about sean couturier...and even ZBC seemed to face reality during zacha’s first pointless streak to start the year.

everybody rags on zacha all the time, and deservedly so. that you’re puffing out your chest about something that’s been said a million times before you on the boards isn’t the best look.

oh but you said you weren’t trolling so that must be true

 

[zharkenby]

it’s a really odd thing to ask a question that you could’ve easily looked up yourself, and when people attempt to answer it to the best of their recollection you take it as a feather in your cap.

it’s even odder to say that there are zacha fanboys on these boards. i can’t think of anybody outside of ZBC (who disappeared mysteriously?) who kept pumping the guy’s tires, talking about sean couturier...and even ZBC seemed to face reality during zacha’s first pointless streak to start the year.

everybody rags on zacha all the time, and deservedly so. that you’re puffing out your chest about something that’s been said a million times before you on the boards isn’t the best look.

oh but you said you weren’t trolling so that must be true

We’ve already done the going into people’s podts from the summer thing once this year, I don’t have the patience to do it again. And you’re wrong. People are still saying he plays well in every gdt.

Joke of a hockey player, very evident from the beginning of last year

 

[NJDevs26]

Like I said above, during the game they credited him with an assist, they must have taken it away.

So it's not about being a fanboy.

This is what this 'debate' is about? Because someone said he has five points instead of four? Talk about a reach. Especially when either total is pathetic anyway.

And look I'm done with Zacha too but anyone (not you) constantly bragging how you're right in every single thread on something negative is basically just posting to get under everyone's skin. Nobody's keeping track of how many things we all get right or wrong and I'd take no pleasure in being right about something negative on 'my' team.

 

[Call Me Al]

He's not good and also unlucky. There've been 10 goals scored not by him with him on the ice and he doesn't have an assist on any of them. The odd thing is that his GF/60 is still 45th percentile or so, so goals are still going in at a good 3rd line rate with him on the ice.

yeah that’s abnormal. and it’s not like he turns the puck over a ton or anything, he can move it to his teammates. he’s not good but he’s not 0 assists in 23 games bad

 

[BenedictGomez]

it’s even odder to say that there are zacha fanboys on these boards. i can’t think of anybody outside of ZBC (who disappeared mysteriously?) who kept pumping the guy’s tires, talking about sean couturier...and even ZBC seemed to face reality during zacha’s first pointless streak to start the year.

There were plenty of them.

But the first 20 or so games of this season was the giant meteor that finally extinguished the Zachasaurs. They just couldn't hold on any longer.

 

[MartyOwns]

There were plenty of them.

But the first 20 or so games of this season was the giant meteor that finally extinguished the Zachasaurs. They just couldn't hold on any longer.

i think there’s a really big difference between a fanboy and someone not willing to write off a 21 year old who has shown brief flashes of excellence. if you think there were plenty of zacha fanboys, then we obviously disagree on the definition of what a fanboy is.

and just to be 100% clear, the definition of fanboy that zharkenby was referring to was somebody mistakenly thinking that he got a point over the last nine games.

 

[NJDevs26]

i think there’s a really big difference between a fanboy and someone not willing to write off a 21 year old who has shown brief flashes of excellence. if you think there were plenty of zacha fanboys, then we obviously disagree on the definition of what a fanboy is.

Yeah I would HOPE most fans would give their younger players the benefit of the doubt until they prove they can't produce at this level. Otherwise you're just a cynic more than a fan.

 

[Emperoreddy]

i think there’s a really big difference between a fanboy and someone not willing to write off a 21 year old who has shown brief flashes of excellence. if you think there were plenty of zacha fanboys, then we obviously disagree on the definition of what a fanboy is.

and just to be 100% clear, the definition of fanboy that zharkenby was referring to was somebody mistakenly thinking that he got a point over the last nine games.

And it was an honest mistake because he was credited with one that was seemingly taken away for whatever reason.

I think not wanting to give up on a 21 year old kid is a pretty fair way to look at it.

I think one issue here is that some posters take their frustrations a bit too far and get into this weird super hatred of a player. You would think some of these guys shot their dogs or something.

The vitriol can get a bit out of hand.

 

[MartyOwns]

And it was an honest mistake because he was credited with one that was seemingly taken away for whatever reason.

I think not wanting to give up on a 21 year old kid is a pretty fair way to look at it.

I think one issue here is that some posters take their frustrations a bit too far and get into this weird super hatred of a player. You would think some of these guys shot their dogs or something.

The vitriol can get a bit out of hand.

and honestly- i’ve said this before- zacha is a perfect 4th line center with PK duty on an actual stanley cup contender. we needed him to be a 2C because of other deficiencies in our roster/prospect pool, and he’s not. it sucks, but it is what it is