Friedman: DeAngelo to CAR

[Gil Gunderson]

Elliot “95% sure” Friedman strikes again?

Waddell literally confirmed they had a trade in principle.

 

[Yatzhee]

Has to be something holding this up beyond July 9th if it indeed was confirmed a deal is in place.

 

[Evergreen]

This entire situation emphasizes just how awful Fletcher's asset management was over the past two years. He traded Ghost along with a 2nd and a 7th to Arizona for nothing. Then he traded a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th to Carolina to replace Ghost with DeAngelo, who plays basically the same game, but is a hothead. Now we are preparing to retain money on DeAngelo just to get rid of him because he doesn't get along with the coach. It's going to take Briere years just to dig out of the hole Fletcher dug for us.

 

[Lempo]

Has to be something holding this up beyond July 9th if it indeed was confirmed a deal is in place.

A rumored part of the trade, NCAA player Massimo Rizzo is currently participating in Canes' development camp on his own money until 13th.

 

[Curufinwe]

It's hard to believe Carolina would want Burns, Karlsson and DeAngelo on the same team. They can't all get 3 minutes a game on the PP.

Last season:

Burns - 3:00 PP TOI/GP

DeAngelo - 3:09 PP TOI/GP

Karlsson - 3:24 PP TOI/GP

 

[Djp]

Has to be something holding this up beyond July 9th if it indeed was confirmed a deal is in place.

A rumored part of the trade, NCAA player Massimo Rizzo is currently participating in Canes' development camp on his own money until 13th.

that is the only explanation I can think of other than one of the GMs on vacation.

 

[StormCast]

It's hard to believe Carolina would want Burns, Karlsson and DeAngelo on the same team. They can't all get 3 minutes a game on the PP.

Last season:

Burns - 3:00 PP TOI/GP

DeAngelo - 3:09 PP TOI/GP

Karlsson - 3:24 PP TOI/GP

TDA and EK are PMD's. Burns not so much but still a good passer and with a big shot. Canes could deploy a 3F/2D PP1 alignment with Burns looking for one-timers at the point while EK play PPQB.

 

[Malkinstheman]

I bet the deal still happens but the GMs don't feel any rush to get it done. Might be some details that need to be finalized and they'll get to it soon

 

[DaveG]

It's hard to believe Carolina would want Burns, Karlsson and DeAngelo on the same team. They can't all get 3 minutes a game on the PP.

Last season:

Burns - 3:00 PP TOI/GP

DeAngelo - 3:09 PP TOI/GP

Karlsson - 3:24 PP TOI/GP

honestly I am wondering a couple things:
1 - if the EK rumors are all a smokescreen, or
2 - if the TDA trade is now dependent on EK deciding to go to Carolina instead of Pittsburgh.

personally I think TDA makes a bit more sense just from a cap management perspective long-term (IE: nothing to worry about long-term picking him up) and allowing the team to make a splash with a forward acquisition. EK is definitely the better of the two players though which is why waiting that bit out first makes some sense.

 

[tarheelhockey]

TDA and EK are PMD's. Burns not so much but still a good passer and with a big shot. Canes could deploy a 3F/2D PP1 alignment with Burns looking for one-timers at the point while EK play PPQB.

That seems a tad awkward, though, with both being right handed shots. I guess Karlsson could play the right point and sweep the puck across to Burns on the left… that would work well enough, but it would take Karlsson away from the middle of the ice.

That said, one thing that drives me crazy about the Canes PP is that they routinely put guys in a weird handedness position, which locks them up receiving passes and costs them that split-second of crispness which can break down a defense. This has been an issue for a while now so obviously they’re willing to live with it.

One thing I could potentially see would be Karlsson coming down and effectively playing as a 4th forward with Burns alone up top. That would probably be the best use of EK on the roster, analytically speaking. Let him break the puck out of the defensive zone and take it all the way behind the net if he wants, disrupting the PK structure while other guys find gaps to exploit. That could really be a video game dynamic once they get used to it.

2 - if the TDA trade is now dependent on EK deciding to go to Carolina instead of Pittsburgh.

This is the scenario I’m going with. I think Philly has zero realistic takers on TDA other than this scenario with the Canes, and the Canes are interested mainly because they have proof of concept that he can thrive within their system. With nobody else threatening to move on TDA, there’s nothing to force the Canes to close a deal until they see what happens with EK. That tells us a lot about their order of priorities right now.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

So is this ever going to happen?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Does Philadelphia have any arbitration cases? If they do they could buy him out.

 

[SnS]

So is this ever going to happen?

I’m sure it will.

 

[SnS]

Does Philadelphia have any arbitration cases? If they do they could buy him out.

No. Cates signed.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

What’s the plan in Carolina?

Run 6 offensive Dmen and 12 defensive forwards?

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

An actual arbitration hearing is not a prerequisite for the 2nd buyout window. The last one was Frans Nielsen in 2021. Adam Erne had a hearing scheduled for August 21st, signed on August 15th. The Wings proceeded with the buyout on August 20th.

 

[RANKKA]

Does Philadelphia have any arbitration cases? If they do they could buy him out.

yea they can buy him out in like 14hours and then they have 48hour window to do that

 

[andora]

As a silent but deadly hurricane fan i hope this falls through..

 

[Lempo]

yea they can buy him out in like 14hours and then they have 48hour window to do that

Apparently exactly as you say: Cates signed a voluntary contract on July 10th, the 2nd buyout window will (assumably) open on July 13th. Per SPC Paragraph 13:

(c) The notice of termination shall be effective if given in the form attached as CBA Exhibit 20, with a copy to the NHLPA and Central Registry as follows:

(i) beginning the later of June 15 or forty-eight (48) hours after the conclusion of the Stanley Cup Finals and ending at 5:00 p.m. New York time on June 30; and

(ii) For Clubs who have Club or Player elected Salary Arbitration filings pursuant to Article 12, within the forty-eight (48) hour period beginning on the third day following the later of: (i) the Club's receipt of its last salary arbitration award; or (ii) settlement of its last case (provided such award was received or such settlement occurred prior to 7:00 p.m. New York time; awards or settlements that occurred or were received at or after 7:00 p.m. New York time will be deemed to have occurred or received the following business day for purposes of this provision).

If Tony is bought out, PHI would pay 2/3 of his remaining year and Canes could sign his as free agent. Canes giving him an apparent underpayment would probably prompt another league investigation.

 

[TheBigLetowski]

Maybe the Canes are seeing what they have to do to get TK added to any package involving TDA. That's one way of me being okay with Tony coming back.

 

[doublechili]

That seems a tad awkward, though, with both being right handed shots.

I'm okay with 2 LH shots on the PP points, but 2 RH shots seems wrong.

Someone explain that to me.

 

[NYR94]

People joke all the time about dominoes but it really does feel like this won't get resolved until we find out where Karlsson is going.

 

[ToDavid]

No. Cates signed.

You still get the extra buyout period if you settle the contract before arbitration, as long as the player files.

 

[SnS]

You still get the extra buyout period if you settle the contract before arbitration, as long as the player files.

Gotcha. Ty for the correction.

 

[bleedgreen]

What’s the plan in Carolina?

Run 6 offensive Dmen and 12 defensive forwards?

I’ve actually thought of that as a good plan for us. Basically 12 Staal clones up front would be RBA’s dream come true.