Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[WeThreeKings]

I’m having misgivings about Reinbacher’s limited offensive upside. I would have thought that picking a D 5th means that the player would own that ability. Maybe it’s too early to tell?

Suter went 7th (and a left shot) in the best draft in history. I don't think anyone would say Suter has high offensive ability yet consistently produced between 40-50 pts in his career.

I'd say Reinbacher has that ability through his skating, poise and outlet passing. He activates offensively and can stand to use his shot more.

 

[Sorinth]

For me it's not about Reinbacher himself, nor Michkov. It's about D vs F. This team has plenty of young D/prospects, but is bare at F. I'm disappointed the Habs haven't had a legit scoring star in my lifetime outside of Kovalev, who only tried when he felt like it.

Wasn't there a 5-6 year period where Pacioretty was top-5 in goals. Similarly Caufield was top-10 in goals per game for 80 something games after MSL took over. A lot of times it feels like fans will always find a reason for someone to not be a "legit" star.

For the draft I personally would have gone with Michkov but I don't buy the D vs F argument. We may have plenty of good young D but for the most part they are very boom or bust type players. Mailloux and Hutson could be first pairing 60+ point guys, or they could MAB type PP specialists who struggle 5-5 even on the third pairing. If Barron/Xhekaj can't find a way to cut down their defensive miscues then they are bottom pairing guys too. Engstrom might be a star or he might be the next Norlinder or Nygren, etc... Outside of Guhle there really weren't any bluechip guys.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

You got a problem with it go talk to the bosses in charge big guy lol what can i tell you

Obviously you can walk up to them with your binders full of hindsight to show them and look like you know more than them now eh?

But they'd probably still tell you the obvious tho, wait a couple years maybe?

(Mod)

The wait and see argument brings zero value to the table, and the constant appeal to authority is cringe

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

@montreal said in one of the comments to his YouTube videos that Reinbacher mentioned he’s struggling with the added weight management told him to put on.

That’s what I’m seeing he looks sluggish. The team seems like a mess from what I see as well. I don’t think he’s playing bad necessarily. It’s still impressive that he’s that young. I just haven’t seen much improvement from last year.

I’m hoping he comes over next year. I think him playing through some adversity is good but I don’t think Kloten is the best place for him next year

 

[Redux91]

This is a message board where we talk about prospects, good or bad, you're just an establishment crony.

The wait and see argument brings zero value to the table, and the constant appeal to authority is cringe

Lol there really is no point to ever have a conversation with you if you're just gonna be "100% my enemy" and be childish in every post because of wtv happened the other day i cant even remember it i just know it was your name lol.. Let's let bygones be bygones bud, and let's get back to objectivity?

I live in a world where 'this is what happened' and dealing with it (the decisions made) best I can, and right now you're living in a 'this is what I wished happened' world, which as you mentioned, you're totally allowed, for sure,
But I'm just merely trying to tell you that that mentality will only always make you upset wishing you lived in the other world where everything went your/our way..

I'm sure glad for Benson and glad for Buffalo who got what looks like a decent player, but who still can't seem to get any traction as a team?
What does any of this do for me, the player we picked, and my team tho?

 

[salbutera]

That's great, and I'll enjoy him on our team if that's what/who he ends up being.

But that's not what you hope your 5th OA pick ends up being.

Well I wish Connor McDavid was available 1OA in 2022, since u know “that’s what you hope your 1st OA pick ends up being”…

For me it's not about Reinbacher himself, nor Michkov. It's about D vs F. This team has plenty of young D/prospects, but is bare at F. I'm disappointed the Habs haven't had a legit scoring star in my lifetime outside of Kovalev, who only tried when he felt like it.

F especially unidimensional offensive W are much easier to find via other routes than top pairing / minute eating Dman

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

For me it's not about Reinbacher himself, nor Michkov. It's about D vs F. This team has plenty of young D/prospects, but is bare at F. I'm disappointed the Habs haven't had a legit scoring star in my lifetime outside of Kovalev, who only tried when he felt like it.

In your example here, you’re talking about need. And yes, the club needs forwards more than D. But if we’re going to lol at needs overall, we already have several small forwards and Mich would’ve been another one whereas RB is a bigger D. So that would also factor into the equation if you look at things through that lense.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Wasn't there a 5-6 year period where Pacioretty was top-5 in goals. Similarly Caufield was top-10 in goals per game for 80 something games after MSL took over. A lot of times it feels like fans will always find a reason for someone to not be a "legit" star.

For the draft I personally would have gone with Michkov but I don't buy the D vs F argument. We may have plenty of good young D but for the most part they are very boom or bust type players. Mailloux and Hutson could be first pairing 60+ point guys, or they could MAB type PP specialists who struggle 5-5 even on the third pairing. If Barron/Xhekaj can't find a way to cut down their defensive miscues then they are bottom pairing guys too. Engstrom might be a star or he might be the next Norlinder or Nygren, etc... Outside of Guhle there really weren't any bluechip guys.

Michkov is really interesting. Not gonna lie, I was upset when we didn’t take him because of the offensive potential. We might really regret not taking him.

Regardless of that though, I just really hope that RB turns into a big number one pairing guy. If we get that I’ll be happier regardless. But there’s no doubt that if Mich turns into a superstar that Hughes will hear about it. It could turn out to be a big miss.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Lol there really is no point to ever have a conversation with you if you're just gonna be "100% my enemy" and be childish in every post because of wtv happened the other day i cant even remember it i just know it was your name lol.. Let's let bygones be bygones bud, and let's get back to objectivity?

I live in a world where 'this is what happened' and dealing with it (the decisions made) best I can, and right now you're living in a 'this is what I wished happened' world, which as you mentioned, you're totally allowed, for sure,
But I'm just merely trying to tell you that that mentality will only always make you upset wishing you lived in the other world where everything went your/our way..

I'm sure glad for Benson and glad for Buffalo who got what looks like a decent player, but who still can't seem to get any traction as a team?
What does any of this do for me, the player we picked, and my team tho?

Sounds good

As I've said many times before I didn't hate the Reinbacher pick then and I don't hate it now. But if we are being objective, we need to acknowledge that his play has not progressed this season, he actually looks worse for the most part. This is not an attack on the player, and I'm willing to give him a pass on the rest of this NL season until he comes to Laval, but when he comes over he needs to show us something worthy of being picked #5.

There are excuses to be made for his play this season so I'm still not too worried, but people need to be able to discuss the flaws in his game without being attacked.

I brought up Benson because it is silly to assert that it didn't matter who we picked at 5 this year. It matters a great deal to our rebuild because if we don't get anything out of the draft, it was a wasted rebuild year.

 

[Redux91]

Sounds good

As I've said many times before I didn't hate the Reinbacher pick then and I don't hate it now. But if we are being objective, we need to acknowledge that his play has not progressed this season, he actually looks worse for the most part. This is not an attack on the player, and I'm willing to give him a pass on the rest of this NL season until he comes to Laval, but when he comes over he needs to show us something worthy of being picked #5.

There are excuses to be made for his play this season so I'm still not too worried, but people need to be able to discuss the flaws in his game without being attacked.

I brought up Benson because it is silly to assert that it didn't matter who we picked at 5 this year. It matters a great deal to our rebuild because if we don't get anything out of the draft, it was a wasted rebuild year.

Well THAT was a hell of a whole lot better lol..

To the point that.. I can't even retort it lol
Myself , I understood, it's a D, it's a Euro league, his WJC team ain't even THERE.. so my expections for this entire season for him were, to say the least, LOW

However.. I can definitely also say.. I kind of sort of expected a BIT more too lol..

My main beef tho is it's just tough to play the 'but we coulda had so and so' game because no matter what, we can never win that game, ever.
So I refuse to play it , forever lol

I appreciate your willingness to let us move on tho, from now on I got your back.

 

[MasterD]

In your example here, you’re talking about need. And yes, the club needs forwards more than D. But if we’re going to lol at needs overall, we already have several small forwards and Mich would’ve been another one whereas RB is a bigger D. So that would also factor into the equation if you look at things through that lense.

Sure. But like I said, I don't have an opinion about Michkov either way. Whatever forward they thought had most potential is who I'd have taken.

Well I wish Connor McDavid was available 1OA in 2022, since u know “that’s what you hope your 1st OA pick ends up being”…


F especially unidimensional offensive W are much easier to find via other routes than top pairing / minute eating Dman

Why haven't we had a "unidimensional" 40+ goal scorer in, what, 30+ years now if it's that easy?

 

[MasterD]

Wasn't there a 5-6 year period where Pacioretty was top-5 in goals. Similarly Caufield was top-10 in goals per game for 80 something games after MSL took over. A lot of times it feels like fans will always find a reason for someone to not be a "legit" star.

Pacioretty topped at 39 goals and 67 points (different seasons). In those 37 and 39 goals seasons, yes he was a top goal scorer in the league, but we all saw how disengaged he was physically and defensively.

I'm not saying it wasn't fun to see those goals, but that's a far far cry from what real game-breaking forward brings. I'm talking about what guys like McDavid, Crosby, Malkin, Toews, Kane, Pettersson, Stutzle, etc bring to their teams year-in-year-out.

I wish the Habs swung for the fences and tries to get guys like those once in a while.

I guess they did in Caufield's case, but two half-seasons don't make a legit star in my eyes.

 

[Sorinth]

Michkov is really interesting. Not gonna lie, I was upset when we didn’t take him because of the offensive potential. We might really regret not taking him.

Regardless of that though, I just really hope that RB turns into a big number one pairing guy. If we get that I’ll be happier regardless. But there’s no doubt that if Mich turns into a superstar that Hughes will hear about it. It could turn out to be a big miss.

If Tyler Peddle the last guy drafted that year turns into a superstar people will complain about Hughes missing big on him. Hughes shouldn't care in "hearing about" any misses. Build a winner and any second guessing can be easily dismissed.

With Michkov it's not going to be as simple as does he turn out well or not because Bobrov and company have more then just that to consider. As an example did Nashville make the best pick by drafting Radulov? There's a pretty strong argument that despite Radulov being the BPA, it was in fact not a good pick because they basically got 2 seasons out of him and they would have been better with a lesser player that would actually have played for them.

With Reinbacher I'm cautiously optimistic because I think he can very well be a key cog in a machine that ends up being better then the sum of it's parts.

 

[Sorinth]

Pacioretty topped at 39 goals and 67 points (different seasons). In those 37 and 39 goals seasons, yes he was a top goal scorer in the league, but we all saw how disengaged he was physically and defensively.

I'm not saying it wasn't fun to see those goals, but that's a far far cry from what real game-breaking forward brings. I'm talking about what guys like McDavid, Crosby, Malkin, Toews, Kane, Pettersson, Stutzle, etc bring to their teams year-in-year-out.

I wish the Habs swung for the fences and tries to get guys like those once in a while.

I guess they did in Caufield's case, but two half-seasons don't make a legit star in my eyes.

It wasn't 2 seasons, it was a 6 year period. And your kind of proving my point, if you are wondering why the Habs can't have nice things it's because they crap on the nice thing everytime they we get one.

 

[Rapala]

Yes. They were comfortable sending Reinbacher back to NLA since they knew his coach. That coach has been dismissed.

He was likely coming over anyway but the draw to maybe keep him there is gone.

Man that sucked eggs royally. I always felt NLA was good for 1yr and then AHL next season but had I known things would be so messed up there AHL would have been best IMO Houle or no Houle.
I'm assuming management would have also.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Man that sucked eggs royally. I always felt NLA was good for 1yr and then AHL next season but had I known things would be so messed up there AHL would have been best IMO Houle or no Houle.
I'm assuming management would have also.

They would have definitely tried to bring him over had they known. There’s not much management can do in that situation. It’s like predicting we’d go from 3 games away from a SC to last in the league in less then a year. We just have to wait a year to get him out of there.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Well THAT was a hell of a whole lot better lol..

To the point that.. I can't even retort it lol
Myself , I understood, it's a D, it's a Euro league, his WJC team ain't even THERE.. so my expections for this entire season for him were, to say the least, LOW

However.. I can definitely also say.. I kind of sort of expected a BIT more too lol..

My main beef tho is it's just tough to play the 'but we coulda had so and so' game because no matter what, we can never win that game, ever.
So I refuse to play it , forever lol

I appreciate your willingness to let us move on tho, from now on I got your back.

Big agreed to the bolded. There is nothing worse than people coming in here just to whine about Michkov, but there is a clear difference between that and what I do here, and I don't like being lumped in with them so I'm sorry for taking it out on you

 

[salbutera]

Sure. But like I said, I don't have an opinion about Michkov either way. Whatever forward they thought had most potential is who I'd have taken.


Why haven't we had a "unidimensional" 40+ goal scorer in, what, 30+ years now if it's that easy?

Because since Frank Selke Sr instituted the 200-ft rule in 1947, unidimensional forwards have very short shelf lives in a Habs uni

Pacioretty on a team not caring for two way hockey let alone a 1C, would’ve been a perennial 40G+ player

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

If Tyler Peddle the last guy drafted that year turns into a superstar people will complain about Hughes missing big on him.

That’s true.

Hughes shouldn't care in "hearing about" any misses. Build a winner and any second guessing can be easily dismissed.

Easy for him to say, he’s not a moderator on this forum.

With Michkov it's not going to be as simple as does he turn out well or not because Bobrov and company have more then just that to consider. As an example did Nashville make the best pick by drafting Radulov? There's a pretty strong argument that despite Radulov being the BPA, it was in fact not a good pick because they basically got 2 seasons out of him and they would have been better with a lesser player that would actually have played for them.

With Reinbacher I'm cautiously optimistic because I think he can very well be a key cog in a machine that ends up being better then the sum of it's parts.

The thing about Mich is it would be another small forward - Nick, CC, Newhook, Mich- that would be a very small group. I also get them not taking him because of the Russian factor. I get the rationale.

But… we need and have needed a franchise scorer for ages. It will hurt if he becomes one somewhere else. Yes, not necessarily the best pick for us but… it’s all psychological

 

[MasterD]

It wasn't 2 seasons, it was a 6 year period. And your kind of proving my point, if you are wondering why the Habs can't have nice things it's because they crap on the nice thing everytime they we get one.

Lol no. We get the players we draft and develop.

And I was a huge fan of Markov. And Subban.

We just haven't had a REAL nice thing offensively since the Damphousse/Turgeon era.

That’s true.

Easy for him to say, he’s not a moderator on this forum.

The thing about Mich is it would be another small forward - Nick, CC, Newhook, Mich- that would be a very small group. I also get them not taking him because of the Russian factor. I get the rationale.

But… we need and have needed a franchise scorer for ages. It will hurt if he becomes one somewhere else. Yes, not necessarily the best pick for us but… it’s all psychological

No need to trade for Newhook if we draft Michkov.

And you can always trade Suzuki/Caufield if the GM judges the team is too small.

 

[Sorinth]

But… we need and have needed a franchise scorer for ages. It will hurt if he becomes one somewhere else. Yes, not necessarily the best pick for us but… it’s all psychological

Point is more that even if he becomes a franchise scorer for Philly doesn't mean he would become one with us. If for example the rumors about him only wanting to go to specific teams was true, then it doesn't make sense to draft him unless you are on his list because all you'll get is a headache for a few years and then lose him for peanuts at best. It's not as black and white as it would be for other players.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Point is more that even if he becomes a franchise scorer for Philly doesn't mean he would become one with us. If for example the rumors about him only wanting to go to specific teams was true, then it doesn't make sense to draft him unless you are on his list because all you'll get is a headache for a few years and then lose him for peanuts at best. It's not as black and white as it would be for other players.

I am not sure why this isn't obvious to everyone. Hughes would have been foolish to take a player who was making behind the scene moves to go elsewhere.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Funny that people in here are still complaining that we didn't take Michkov. Even funnier is that people are so obtuse that they give zero weight to the fact that our scouting director's dad has intimate inside knowledge on Michkov and maybe our scouting director knows more about him than Joe Poster.

 

[montreal]

@montreal said in one of the comments to his YouTube videos that Reinbacher mentioned he’s struggling with the added weight management told him to put on.

That’s what I’m seeing he looks sluggish. The team seems like a mess from what I see as well. I don’t think he’s playing bad necessarily. It’s still impressive that he’s that young. I just haven’t seen much improvement from last year.

I’m hoping he comes over next year. I think him playing through some adversity is good but I don’t think Kloten is the best place for him next year

Just to be clear he didn't say that, just people that watched him last year say he looks like he's struggling with the added weight and it was rumored that it was the Habs who wanted him to work on bulking up over the off-season to which he did.

The only thing I know that he's said was about the injury and that it was his wrist that was giving him problems not the knee but that was of course a few months back.

I'm sure he will be back over as soon as his season ends and I'm sure he will be an NHLer at some point, just a question of how good will he be.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Just to be clear he didn't say that, just people that watched him last year say he looks like he's struggling with the added weight and it was rumored that it was the Habs who wanted him to work on bulking up over the off-season to which he did.

The only thing I know that he's said was about the injury and that it was his wrist that was giving him problems not the knee but that was of course a few months back.

I'm sure he will be back over as soon as his season ends and I'm sure he will be an NHLer at some point, just a question of how good will he be.

I was even going to qualify that I may have gotten that specific point wrong lol.

Thanks for clearing that up. Missed the part about his wrist. A lot is going to depend on his mobility. Hoping he can open up his offensive game a bit more over here.