Dave Hakstol Discussion

[Beef Invictus]

I'm sure there's another thread but I'm lazy and tired of constantly misreading the other thread as "Flyers Fire Hakstol."

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[Juicy Pop]

I'm sure there's another thread but I'm lazy and tired of constantly misreading the other thread as "Flyers Fire Hakstol."

Glad I'm not the only one.

 

[catbellysqueezer]

Seems to be doing a good job so far given the mess our team has been in with contracts, but I literally fell asleep listening to him speak once.

Must reserve 100% of his energy for motivating players.

 

[Flyotes]

Glad I'm not the only one.

You aren't.

 

[backburner]

I'm sure there's another thread but I'm lazy and tired of constantly misreading the other thread as "Flyers Fire Hakstol."

to lazy to find other thread , then points out other thread

also i read it as fire to

 

[Beef Invictus]

I mean another plain discussion thread.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Why not just re-name the other thread?

 

[Flyotes]

It's too late. We've gone too far.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Why not just re-name the other thread?

 

[catbellysqueezer]

**** happens.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I'm sure there's another thread but I'm lazy and tired of constantly misreading the other thread as "Flyers Fire Hakstol."

BEEF is officaly the forums dumpty Plumpty..

 

[Beef Invictus]

BEEF is officaly the forums dumpty Plumpty..

 

[backburner]

getting back on topic and away from Beef

I am not sure if the Flyers are just playing harder as of late or his system is excellent.

I still noticed in the Islanders game they played 40 minutes of hockey instead of 60

 

[Prongo]

I thought the Islanders game was their best game of the year. I didn't think they just played 40 mins of it either. There is always going to be times where the other team is attacking and bringing pressure. Islanders came out really hungry in the third and the Flyers weathered the storm and finished them off.

 

[deadhead]

Some of you people should avoid jobs where they make you pee into a bottle.

Hakstol has done a nice job so far, but:

1) developmental phase, teach young players, develop talent - strangely enough this really starts next year, right now only Laughton and Ghost are the "young" players, Schenn, MDZ, Gudas, etc. are close to prime age

2) installing scheme, this is really what Hakstol has accomplished, and it helped to have a veteran team, now as they bring in young players there will be a core of veterans who know the system and can provide guidance

3) taking the next step up and becoming a truly competitive team - this is a matter of talent of course, but also the litmus tests for coaches, it's one thing to turn a bad team into a mediocre team as you acquire more talent, it's quite another to get it to play at a high level for 100 games.

4) JUST WIN BABY - once you're competitive, there's the last test, and then you can run for Mayor if you pass it.

 

[Appleyard]

18-15-7, 43 points, .538 pt %, 88pt pace after 40 games this year.

last year after 40:

15-18-7, 37 points, 0.463 pt %. 76pt pace.

with overall a team with a ~similar ability level. Though subtracting Rinaldo, Vinny & Grossmann are all positives!

 

[BernieParent]

18-15-7, 43 points, .538 pt %, 88pt pace after 40 games this year.

last year after 40:

15-18-7, 37 points, 0.463 pt %. 76pt pace.

with overall a team with a ~similar ability level. Though subtracting Rinaldo, Vinny & Grossmann are all positives!

Don't forget replacing Emery with Neuvirth and his sparkling .934 save percentage, good for second place in the NHL.

 

[Appleyard]

Don't forget replacing Emery with Neuvirth and his sparkling .934 save percentage, good for second place in the NHL.

Oh yeh, but in turn Mason is not playing as well as he was last season.

And Streit has been injured, and Giroux and Jake are not both top 10 in points in the league!

 

[Beef Invictus]

I'd say the difference between Mason this year and last year doesn't do enough to undermine the difference between Neuvy and Emery, but I think you know that.


Another thing, is that the team isn't being held back by whatever it is Berube was preaching. I'm not entirely sure what his system was. I think it was basically "try to maintain puck possession and do not do anything remotely risky." Hence you get a slow team where guys like Streit and MDZ, who CAN move the puck, were only very rarely attempting passes more difficult than guys like Schultz, Schenn, or Grossmann, with minimal forechecking. Paying attention, it looked like they never passed the puck across more than one line/zone at a time. Everything was restrained and cautious to the the point of detriment. Some risk is necessary to force pressure, and doing your best to just not fail isn't the same as winning, especially with a flawed roster. Sure, the lack of offensive ability on D was inherently limiting, but it sure looked like Berube limited that ability in transition even further.

That's gone, so that's a boost.

 

[Appleyard]

I'd say the difference between Mason this year and last year doesn't do enough to undermine the difference between Neuvy and Emery, but I think you know that.


Another thing, is that the team isn't being held back by whatever it is Berube was preaching. I'm not entirely sure what his system was. I think it was basically "try to maintain puck possession and do not do anything remotely risky." Hence you get a slow team where guys like Streit and MDZ, who CAN move the puck, were only very rarely attempting passes more difficult than guys like Schultz, Schenn, or Grossmann, with minimal forechecking. Paying attention, it looked like they never passed the puck across more than one line/zone at a time. Everything was restrained and cautious to the the point of detriment. Some risk is necessary to force pressure, and doing your best to just not fail isn't the same as winning, especially with a flawed roster. Sure, the lack of offensive ability on D was inherently limiting, but it sure looked like Berube limited that ability in transition even further.

That's gone, so that's a boost.

Oh yeh. Emery was awful. Our team sv% to end last season was .910. This year it is .918.

Inferred from Couturier's interview on NHLN and Umberger's comments over the season it does seem that Berube was not drumming in fine details and making everyone know exactly what they should do in every situation.

'Details' is a word mentioned a lot by players when regarding Hakstol!

It did not help that Berube was so negative and played the C so low either...

 

[Tripod]

We also have Ghost this year. And 3vs3 has certainly helped us gain points as opposed to the shootout.

 

[BernieParent]

We also have Ghost this year. And 3vs3 has certainly helped us gain points as opposed to the shootout.

Great point about 3 on 3. The Flyers finally found their novelty niche.

 

[PensBrony 6 9*]

Great point about 3 on 3. The Flyers finally found their novelty niche.

I like 3 on 3 but I kind of think they should bring back ties and just go 4 on 4 for 5 minutes and then 3 on 3 for another 5. If it's still tied, just leave it. The shootout isn't "real hockey", but 3 on 3 is only slightly better to me. It's definitely fun to watch, though

 

[Curufinwe]

Anyone know the last game Laughton got some PK time?

 

[sobrien]

I'm still annoyed the 4th line gets as many minutes at ES as our 1st line. And Laughton is getting buried.

Otherwise he's doing well!