Datsyuk 2008/2009 vs Stamkos 2011/2012

[slapKing]

Two seasons that couldn't be more opposite to one another. It does make for an interesting question.

Datsyuk Stats: 5th in assists, 3rd in points, 5th in ppg, +34, 69 primary points, 61 even strength points,

Award wins/finishes: 3rd in Hart voting, Lindsay Finalist, Selke winner, 2nd all star

Note: 1 of the only 3 players to win the Selke while finishing in top 5 in scoring


Stamkos Stats: 1st in goals, 2nd in points, 3rd in ppg, +7, 88 primary points, 72 even strength points

Award wins/finishes: 2nd in Hart voting, Lindsay Finalist, Rocket winner, 2nd all star

Note: 60 goals is the highest goal total in 10 years, 2nd highest in 15 years, and 4th highest in 25 years


Which player had the better season in your opinion?

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[Krewe]

48 Even strength goals. 48. Stammer's peak season is one of the very best post-lockout

 

[Varan]

Datsyuk because Stamkos needed MSL to hit that total. Also, he isn't close to the complete player of Dats. He doesn't have that game-breaking ability that Dats has nor is even near the possession player that Dats is/was

Let's not even get into the defensive part

 

[Regal]

Goals are nice, but Datsyuk did more to help his team win.

 

[MessierII]

Winning the Selke while getting close to 100 points is ridiculous

 

[HarryLime]

Pavs

 

[AssaultPK]

pavs bias showing. 60 goals people ???

 

[WingsMJN2965]

I've said it a thousand times and it ain't changing...

Datsyuk in 07-08 and 08-09 was the best player in the world.

 

[Albatros]

pavs bias showing. 60 goals people ???

Nice. Datsyuk contributed on ice to 10 more goals scored for and 21 fewer goals allowed against. That despite him playing plenty of PK while Stamkos had more PP time.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

I've said it a thousand times and it ain't changing...

Datsyuk in 07-08 and 08-09 was the best player in the world.

not convinced it was even close

 

[Midnight Judges]

Ovechkin had 79 even strength goals. Datsyuk had 40. But Datsyuk was better at even strength offense. Sure. That totally passes the smell test.

I hope you aren't paying for this crap.

 

[Albatros]

Ovechkin had 79 even strength goals. Datsyuk had 40. But Datsyuk was better at even strength offense. Sure. That totally passes the smell test.

I hope you aren't paying for this crap.

Yeah, and Adam Oates the plug only had 25 goals while Brett Hull scored 86.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Yeah, and Adam Oates the plug only had 25 goals while Brett Hull scored 86.

Brett Hull won the Hart while Oates got zero votes that year. Brett hull was very clearly the far superior offensive player, as was Ovechkin who curb stomped Datsyuk in first place Hart votes 243-4 during those two seasons.

There is no one-size-fits-all metric in hockey. It's not baseball.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Datsyuk because Stamkos needed MSL to hit that total.

Whereas Datsyuk merely played a ton with Lidstrom - arguably the second greatest defenseman of all time? And Hossa? Nevermind Zetterberg.

How could you possibly call this some sort of disadvantage?!?

 

[Islay1989]

Datsyuk because Stamkos needed MSL to hit that total. Also, he isn't close to the complete player of Dats. He doesn't have that game-breaking ability that Dats has nor is even near the possession player that Dats is/was

Let's not even get into the defensive part

Meanwhile, Datsyuk played with ECHLers in Hossa, Lidstrom, Zetterberg, Franzen, Holmstrom and Rafalski. People post the darndest things.

 

[authentic]

I've said it a thousand times and it ain't changing...

Datsyuk in 07-08 and 08-09 was the best player in the world.

It was pretty much between him and Ovechkin, but Crosby and Malkin were right there with them as well.

 

[RedWingzz]

Meanwhile, Datsyuk played with ECHLers in Hossa, Lidstrom, Zetterberg, Franzen, Holmstrom and Rafalski. People post the darndest things.

I'm not arguing the point you are making, I just find it a bit funny that you included Holmstrom in your list. I loved what he brought to the table, but the fact that Holmstrom was Datsyuk's linemate for a few years doesn't really help your argument. Also keep in mind that Babcock absolutely loved playing guys like Cleary, Abdelkader (and yes, Holmstrom) on Datsyuk's line because Datsyuk was able to get the most out of his linemates.

 

[authentic]

View attachment 373991not convinced it was even close

Besides that it was blatantly obvious from watching him that he just played better than anyone head to head. I never got the impression that when he faced the Penguins that either Crosby or Malkin were individually better overall players.

 

[authentic]

Brett Hull won the Hart while Oates got zero votes that year. Brett hull was very clearly the far superior offensive player, as was Ovechkin who curb stomped Datsyuk in first place Hart votes 243-4 during those two seasons.

There is no one-size-fits-all metric in hockey. It's not baseball.

Datsyuk was very clearly a better two-way player and averaged 2 less minutes per game on the powerplay, and he was within 15 points of him still. Obviously the Hart favours offensive only players and also Datsyuk being on a team with Lidstrom and Zetterberg didn't help his case. You could make a case for either one.

 

[authentic]

This is so clearly Datsyuk it's crazy anyone legitimately believes Stamkos was the better player. Datsyuk was peak Ovechkin level, video footage and advanced stats don't lie here.

 

[Islay1989]

I'm not arguing the point you are making, I just find it a bit funny that you included Holmstrom in your list. I loved what he brought to the table, but the fact that Holmstrom was Datsyuk's linemate for a few years doesn't really help your argument. Also keep in mind that Babcock absolutely loved playing guys like Cleary, Abdelkader (and yes, Holmstrom) on Datsyuk's line because Datsyuk was able to get the most out of his linemates.

Holmstrom was one of the best net front presence guys in the league. He was a massive contributor for the Wings.

 

[Varan]

Meanwhile, Datsyuk played with ECHLers in Hossa, Lidstrom, Zetterberg, Franzen, Holmstrom and Rafalski. People post the darndest things.

Whereas Datsyuk merely played a ton with Lidstrom - arguably the second greatest defenseman of all time? And Hossa? Nevermind Zetterberg.

How could you possibly call this some sort of disadvantage?!?

You guys are acting like they were instrumental in his point totals. Datsyuk led the 2009 team in scoring with 97 points, and second place had 73 points (the almighty Zetterberg).

Whereas Stamkos hit 60 goals (the only reason he is in this poll) directly because of MSL's playmaking. He never drove the puck up the ice, never had the stick-handling to get himself in scoring areas. He was kind of what OV is nowadays, a sniper/triggerman.

Datsyuk didn't need players to be great. It helps playing on stacked teams, but Datsyuk was an all-world talent.

 

[Hockeyholic]

Datsyuk. AINEC.

 

[Albatros]

You guys are acting like they were instrumental in his point totals. Datsyuk led the 2009 team in scoring with 97 points, and second place had 73 points (the almighty Zetterberg).

Not to mention they didn't even play together that much (less than a fifth of the time on even strength).

 

[RedWingzz]

Holmstrom was one of the best net front presence guys in the league. He was a massive contributor for the Wings.

I've been watching the Wings religiously for years, I know what he brought to the table, and yes he was a great netfront guy, and was a good agitator, and eventually he developed a bit of a scoring touch. The guy was far from a "skilled or speedy" player. He was a hardworking agitator, who worked on the PP due to his unique net-front skillset, but let's not pretend Tomas Holmstrom was ever being mentioned for any All-Star ballots.