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This is something of a companion thread to Hockey Outsider's Top Twenty Scorers since 1968.
Why start in 1926-27? It is the first year after the last Western league folded, when the NHL contained all the talent in North America.
Why top ten finishes, rather than top twenty? Two reasons:
1) In a smaller league, I think 11th-20th place finishes start to become less meaningful. In the Original 6 period, teams usually only ran one powerplay unit for the entire powerplay, so there were only 18 forwards getting first unit powerplay time (plus a few extra forwards who would play on the point). So lower top 20 finishes in a smaller league were as much about opportunity as talent.
2) Not a small reason - top ten finishes are much easier to compile using hockey-reference.com.
Like Hockey Outsider's thread, I am giving players a point for every top 5 finish and a point for every top 10 finish. It's something of a junk stat that is useful for sorting.
PLAYER
|
TOP 5-
|
TOP 10
|
TOTAL
Gordie Howe | 20 | 21 | 41
Wayne Gretzky | 16 | 16 | 32
Maurice Richard | 9 | 11 | 20
Jean Beliveau | 8 | 12 | 20
Mario Lemieux | 9 | 10 | 19
Bobby Hull | 8 | 11 | 19
Jaromir Jagr | 8 | 11 | 19
Andy Bathgate | 9 | 9 | 18
Stan Mikita | 9 | 9 | 18
Phil Esposito | 8 | 10 | 18
Joe Sakic | 6 | 10 | 16
Marcel Dionne | 7 | 8 | 15
Bill Cowley | 6 | 8 | 14
Ted Lindsay | 6 | 8 | 14
Mike Bossy | 6 | 8 | 14
Alex Delvecchio | 2 | 11 | 13
Bobby Orr | 6 | 6 | 12
Guy Lafleur | 6 | 6 | 12
Bill Cook** | 5 | 7 | 12
Howie Morenz* | 5 | 7 | 12
Alex Ovechkin | 5 | 7 | 12
Frank Boucher**| 4 | 8 | 12
Nels Stewart* | 3 | 9 | 12
Sidney Crosby | 5 | 6 | 11
Teemu Selanne | 4 | 7 | 11
Charlie Conacher | 5 | 5 | 10
Max Bentley | 5 | 5 | 10
Marty Barry | 4 | 6 | 10
Elmer Lach | 4 | 6 | 10
Doug Bentley | 4 | 6 | 10
Peter Stastny | 4 | 6 | 10
Mark Messier | 4 | 6 | 10
Bernie Geoffrion | 3 | 7 | 10
Henri Richard | 3 | 7 | 10
Frank Mahovlich | 3 | 7 | 10
Bobby Clarke | 3 | 7 | 10
Adam Oates | 3 | 7 | 10
Norm Ullman | 2 | 8 | 10
Busher Jackson | 4 | 5 | 9
Clint Smith | 4 | 5 | 9
Sid Abel | 4 | 5 | 9
Peter Forsberg | 4 | 5 | 9
Joe Thornton | 4 | 5 | 9
Martin St. Louis | 4 | 5 | 9
Sweeney Schriner | 3 | 6 | 9
Syl Apps | 3 | 6 | 9
Toe Blake | 3 | 6 | 9
Bryan Trottier | 3 | 6 | 9
Jari Kurri | 3 | 6 | 9
Paul Coffey | 3 | 6 | 9
Steve Yzerman | 3 | 6 | 9
Jean Ratelle | 2 | 7 | 9
Steven Stamkos | 4 | 4 | 8
Milt Schmidt | 3 | 5 | 8
Gilbert Perreault | 3 | 5 | 8
Ron Francis | 3 | 5 | 8
Gordie Drillon | 3 | 4 | 7
Ted Kennedy | 3 | 4 | 7
Mark Recchi | 3 | 4 | 7
Pavel Bure | 3 | 4 | 7
Paul Kariya | 3 | 4 | 7
Hooley Smith* | 2 | 5 | 7
Paul Thompson | 2 | 5 | 7
Bill Mosienko | 2 | 5 | 7
Rod Gilbert | 2 | 5 | 7
Denis Savard | 2 | 5 | 7
Ilya Kovalchuk | 2 | 5 | 7
Roy Conacher | 1 | 6 | 7
John Bucyk | 1 | 6 | 7
Lynn Patrick | 3 | 3 | 6
Ken Hodge | 3 | 3 | 6
Brett Hull | 3 | 3 | 6
Markus Naslund | 3 | 3 | 6
Evgeni Malkin | 3 | 3 | 6
Syd Howe | 2 | 4 | 6
Bryan Hextall, Sr | 2 | 4 | 6
Paul Ronty | 2 | 4 | 6
Bert Olmstead | 2 | 4 | 6
Dickie Moore | 2 | 4 | 6
Dale Hawerchuk | 2 | 4 | 6
Luc Robitaille | 2 | 4 | 6
John LeClair | 2 | 4 | 6
Jarome Iginla | 2 | 4 | 6
Aurele Joliat* | 1 | 5 | 6
Darryl Sittler | 1 | 5 | 6
Ace Bailey | 2 | 3 | 5
Joe Primeau | 2 | 3 | 5
Lorne Carr | 2 | 3 | 5
Billy Taylor | 2 | 3 | 5
Ed Litzenberger | 2 | 3 | 5
Jacques Lemaire | 2 | 3 | 5
Doug Gilmour | 2 | 3 | 5
Dany Heatley | 2 | 3 | 5
Pavel Datsyuk | 2 | 3 | 5
Henrik Sedin | 2 | 3 | 5
Michel Goulet | 1 | 4 | 5
Ziggy Palffy | 1 | 4 | 5
Bernie Federko | 0 | 5 | 5
Carson Cooper | 2 | 2 | 4
Cecil Dillon | 2 | 2 | 4
Larry Aurie | 2 | 2 | 4
Gaye Stewart | 2 | 2 | 4
Bronco Horvath | 2 | 2 | 4
Rick MacLeish | 2 | 2 | 4
Todd Bertuzzi | 2 | 2 | 4
Corey Perry | 2 | 2 | 4
Claude Giroux | 2 | 2 | 4
Bill Thoms | 1 | 3 | 4
Bobby Bauer | 1 | 3 | 4
Tod Sloan | 1 | 3 | 4
Sid Smith | 1 | 3 | 4
Dutch Reibel | 1 | 3 | 4
Kenny Wharram | 1 | 3 | 4
Dave Taylor | 1 | 3 | 4
Eric Lindros | 1 | 3 | 4
Patrik Elias | 1 | 3 | 4
Daniel Alfredsson | 1 | 3 | 4
Ryan Getzlaf | 1 | 3 | 4
Nicklas Backstrom | 1 | 3 | 4
Neil Colville | 0 | 4 | 4
Red Kelly | 0 | 4 | 4
Don McKenney | 0 | 4 | 4
George Hay** | 1 | 2 | 3
Cooney Weiland | 1 | 2 | 3
Dit Clapper | 1 | 2 | 3
Baldy Northcott | 1 | 2 | 3
Paul Haynes | 1 | 2 | 3
Art Chapman | 1 | 2 | 3
Phil Watson | 1 | 2 | 3
Woody Dumart | 1 | 2 | 3
Buddy O'Connor | 1 | 2 | 3
Ab DeMarco | 1 | 2 | 3
Phil Goyette | 1 | 2 | 3
Bobby Rousseau | 1 | 2 | 3
Wayne Cashman | 1 | 2 | 3
Pete Mahovlich | 1 | 2 | 3
Denis Potvin | 1 | 2 | 3
Mike Rogers | 1 | 2 | 3
Kent Nilsson | 1 | 2 | 3
Barry Pederson | 1 | 2 | 3
Bernie Nicholls | 1 | 2 | 3
Pat Lafontaine | 1 | 2 | 3
Pierre Turgeon | 1 | 2 | 3
Jeremy Roenick | 1 | 2 | 3
Sergei Fedorov | 1 | 2 | 3
Mats Sundin | 1 | 2 | 3
Jason Allison | 1 | 2 | 3
Marian Hossa | 1 | 2 | 3
Jason Spezza | 1 | 2 | 3
Vincent LeCavalier | 1 | 2 | 3
Patrick Kane | 1 | 2 | 3
Bun Cook | 0 | 3 | 3
Johnny Pearson | 0 | 3 | 3
Fleming MacKell | 0 | 3 | 3
Murray Oliver | 0 | 3 | 3
Theoren Fleury | 0 | 3 | 3
Pavol Demitra | 0 | 3 | 3
Mike Modano | 0 | 3 | 3
Brad Richards | 0 | 3 | 3
Marc Savard | 0 | 3 | 3
Phil Kessel | 0 | 3 | 3
Dick Irvin** | 1 | 1 | 2
Frank Fredrickson** | 1 | 1 | 2
Babe Dye* | 1 | 1 | 2
Billy Burch* | 1 | 1 | 2
Andy Blair | 1 | 1 | 2
Hec Kilrea | 1 | 1 | 2
Ebbie Goodfellow | 1 | 1 | 2
Doc Romnes | 1 | 1 | 2
Georges Mantha | 1 | 1 | 2
Don Grosso | 1 | 1 | 2
Herb Cain | 1 | 1 | 2
Carl Liscombe | 1 | 1 | 2
Joe Carveth | 1 | 1 | 2
Bud Poile | 1 | 1 | 2
Jim Conacher | 1 | 1 | 2
Don Raleigh | 1 | 1 | 2
Wally Hergesheimer | 1 | 1 | 2
Walt Tkaczuk | 1 | 1 | 2
Vic Hadfield | 1 | 1 | 2
Bill Barber | 1 | 1 | 2
Pierre Larouche | 1 | 1 | 2
Steve Shutt | 1 | 1 | 2
Tim Young | 1 | 1 | 2
Bob MacMillan | 1 | 1 | 2
Dennis Maruk | 1 | 1 | 2
Rob Brown | 1 | 1 | 2
John Cullen | 1 | 1 | 2
Kevin Stevens | 1 | 1 | 2
Alex Zhamnov | 1 | 1 | 2
Martin Straka | 1 | 1 | 2
Alex Kovalev | 1 | 1 | 2
Milan Hejduk | 1 | 1 | 2
Zach Parise | 1 | 1 | 2
Daniel Sedin | 1 | 1 | 2
Tyler Seguin | 1 | 1 | 2
Harry Oliver** | 0 | 2 | 2
Duke Keats** | 0 | 2 | 2
Bill Carson | 0 | 2 | 2
Frank Finnigan | 0 | 2 | 2
Dutch Gainor | 0 | 2 | 2
Eddie Shore | 0 | 2 | 2
Johnny Gagnon | 0 | 2 | 2
Herbie Lewis | 0 | 2 | 2
Tom Anderson | 0 | 2 | 2
Gus Bodnar | 0 | 2 | 2
Metro Prystai| 0 | 2 | 2
Ken Mosdell | 0 | 2 | 2
Red Sullivan | 0 | 2 | 2
Ralph Backstrom | 0 | 2 | 2
Claude Provost | 0 | 2 | 2
Dave Keon | 0 | 2 | 2
Yvan Cournoyer | 0 | 2 | 2
Red Berenson | 0 | 2 | 2
John McKenzie | 0 | 2 | 2
Rick Martin | 0 | 2 | 2
Syl Apps, Jr | 0 | 2 | 2
Lanny McDonald | 0 | 2 | 2
Charlie Simmer | 0 | 2 | 2
Rick Middleton | 0 | 2 | 2
Dino Ciccarelli | 0 | 2 | 2
Jimmy Carson | 0 | 2 | 2
Alexander Mogilny | 0 | 2 | 2
Brendan Shanahan | 0 | 2 | 2
Eric Staal | 0 | 2 | 2
Henrik Zetterberg | 0 | 2 | 2
Taylor Hall | 0 | 2 | 2
Notes:
Why start in 1926-27? It is the first year after the last Western league folded, when the NHL contained all the talent in North America.
Why top ten finishes, rather than top twenty? Two reasons:
1) In a smaller league, I think 11th-20th place finishes start to become less meaningful. In the Original 6 period, teams usually only ran one powerplay unit for the entire powerplay, so there were only 18 forwards getting first unit powerplay time (plus a few extra forwards who would play on the point). So lower top 20 finishes in a smaller league were as much about opportunity as talent.
2) Not a small reason - top ten finishes are much easier to compile using hockey-reference.com.
Like Hockey Outsider's thread, I am giving players a point for every top 5 finish and a point for every top 10 finish. It's something of a junk stat that is useful for sorting.
Gordie Howe | 20 | 21 | 41
Wayne Gretzky | 16 | 16 | 32
Maurice Richard | 9 | 11 | 20
Jean Beliveau | 8 | 12 | 20
Mario Lemieux | 9 | 10 | 19
Bobby Hull | 8 | 11 | 19
Jaromir Jagr | 8 | 11 | 19
Andy Bathgate | 9 | 9 | 18
Stan Mikita | 9 | 9 | 18
Phil Esposito | 8 | 10 | 18
Joe Sakic | 6 | 10 | 16
Marcel Dionne | 7 | 8 | 15
Bill Cowley | 6 | 8 | 14
Ted Lindsay | 6 | 8 | 14
Mike Bossy | 6 | 8 | 14
Alex Delvecchio | 2 | 11 | 13
Bobby Orr | 6 | 6 | 12
Guy Lafleur | 6 | 6 | 12
Bill Cook** | 5 | 7 | 12
Howie Morenz* | 5 | 7 | 12
Alex Ovechkin | 5 | 7 | 12
Frank Boucher**| 4 | 8 | 12
Nels Stewart* | 3 | 9 | 12
Sidney Crosby | 5 | 6 | 11
Teemu Selanne | 4 | 7 | 11
Charlie Conacher | 5 | 5 | 10
Max Bentley | 5 | 5 | 10
Marty Barry | 4 | 6 | 10
Elmer Lach | 4 | 6 | 10
Doug Bentley | 4 | 6 | 10
Peter Stastny | 4 | 6 | 10
Mark Messier | 4 | 6 | 10
Bernie Geoffrion | 3 | 7 | 10
Henri Richard | 3 | 7 | 10
Frank Mahovlich | 3 | 7 | 10
Bobby Clarke | 3 | 7 | 10
Adam Oates | 3 | 7 | 10
Norm Ullman | 2 | 8 | 10
Busher Jackson | 4 | 5 | 9
Clint Smith | 4 | 5 | 9
Sid Abel | 4 | 5 | 9
Peter Forsberg | 4 | 5 | 9
Joe Thornton | 4 | 5 | 9
Martin St. Louis | 4 | 5 | 9
Sweeney Schriner | 3 | 6 | 9
Syl Apps | 3 | 6 | 9
Toe Blake | 3 | 6 | 9
Bryan Trottier | 3 | 6 | 9
Jari Kurri | 3 | 6 | 9
Paul Coffey | 3 | 6 | 9
Steve Yzerman | 3 | 6 | 9
Jean Ratelle | 2 | 7 | 9
Steven Stamkos | 4 | 4 | 8
Milt Schmidt | 3 | 5 | 8
Gilbert Perreault | 3 | 5 | 8
Ron Francis | 3 | 5 | 8
Gordie Drillon | 3 | 4 | 7
Ted Kennedy | 3 | 4 | 7
Mark Recchi | 3 | 4 | 7
Pavel Bure | 3 | 4 | 7
Paul Kariya | 3 | 4 | 7
Hooley Smith* | 2 | 5 | 7
Paul Thompson | 2 | 5 | 7
Bill Mosienko | 2 | 5 | 7
Rod Gilbert | 2 | 5 | 7
Denis Savard | 2 | 5 | 7
Ilya Kovalchuk | 2 | 5 | 7
Roy Conacher | 1 | 6 | 7
John Bucyk | 1 | 6 | 7
Lynn Patrick | 3 | 3 | 6
Ken Hodge | 3 | 3 | 6
Brett Hull | 3 | 3 | 6
Markus Naslund | 3 | 3 | 6
Evgeni Malkin | 3 | 3 | 6
Syd Howe | 2 | 4 | 6
Bryan Hextall, Sr | 2 | 4 | 6
Paul Ronty | 2 | 4 | 6
Bert Olmstead | 2 | 4 | 6
Dickie Moore | 2 | 4 | 6
Dale Hawerchuk | 2 | 4 | 6
Luc Robitaille | 2 | 4 | 6
John LeClair | 2 | 4 | 6
Jarome Iginla | 2 | 4 | 6
Aurele Joliat* | 1 | 5 | 6
Darryl Sittler | 1 | 5 | 6
Ace Bailey | 2 | 3 | 5
Joe Primeau | 2 | 3 | 5
Lorne Carr | 2 | 3 | 5
Billy Taylor | 2 | 3 | 5
Ed Litzenberger | 2 | 3 | 5
Jacques Lemaire | 2 | 3 | 5
Doug Gilmour | 2 | 3 | 5
Dany Heatley | 2 | 3 | 5
Pavel Datsyuk | 2 | 3 | 5
Henrik Sedin | 2 | 3 | 5
Michel Goulet | 1 | 4 | 5
Ziggy Palffy | 1 | 4 | 5
Bernie Federko | 0 | 5 | 5
Carson Cooper | 2 | 2 | 4
Cecil Dillon | 2 | 2 | 4
Larry Aurie | 2 | 2 | 4
Gaye Stewart | 2 | 2 | 4
Bronco Horvath | 2 | 2 | 4
Rick MacLeish | 2 | 2 | 4
Todd Bertuzzi | 2 | 2 | 4
Corey Perry | 2 | 2 | 4
Claude Giroux | 2 | 2 | 4
Bill Thoms | 1 | 3 | 4
Bobby Bauer | 1 | 3 | 4
Tod Sloan | 1 | 3 | 4
Sid Smith | 1 | 3 | 4
Dutch Reibel | 1 | 3 | 4
Kenny Wharram | 1 | 3 | 4
Dave Taylor | 1 | 3 | 4
Eric Lindros | 1 | 3 | 4
Patrik Elias | 1 | 3 | 4
Daniel Alfredsson | 1 | 3 | 4
Ryan Getzlaf | 1 | 3 | 4
Nicklas Backstrom | 1 | 3 | 4
Neil Colville | 0 | 4 | 4
Red Kelly | 0 | 4 | 4
Don McKenney | 0 | 4 | 4
George Hay** | 1 | 2 | 3
Cooney Weiland | 1 | 2 | 3
Dit Clapper | 1 | 2 | 3
Baldy Northcott | 1 | 2 | 3
Paul Haynes | 1 | 2 | 3
Art Chapman | 1 | 2 | 3
Phil Watson | 1 | 2 | 3
Woody Dumart | 1 | 2 | 3
Buddy O'Connor | 1 | 2 | 3
Ab DeMarco | 1 | 2 | 3
Phil Goyette | 1 | 2 | 3
Bobby Rousseau | 1 | 2 | 3
Wayne Cashman | 1 | 2 | 3
Pete Mahovlich | 1 | 2 | 3
Denis Potvin | 1 | 2 | 3
Mike Rogers | 1 | 2 | 3
Kent Nilsson | 1 | 2 | 3
Barry Pederson | 1 | 2 | 3
Bernie Nicholls | 1 | 2 | 3
Pat Lafontaine | 1 | 2 | 3
Pierre Turgeon | 1 | 2 | 3
Jeremy Roenick | 1 | 2 | 3
Sergei Fedorov | 1 | 2 | 3
Mats Sundin | 1 | 2 | 3
Jason Allison | 1 | 2 | 3
Marian Hossa | 1 | 2 | 3
Jason Spezza | 1 | 2 | 3
Vincent LeCavalier | 1 | 2 | 3
Patrick Kane | 1 | 2 | 3
Bun Cook | 0 | 3 | 3
Johnny Pearson | 0 | 3 | 3
Fleming MacKell | 0 | 3 | 3
Murray Oliver | 0 | 3 | 3
Theoren Fleury | 0 | 3 | 3
Pavol Demitra | 0 | 3 | 3
Mike Modano | 0 | 3 | 3
Brad Richards | 0 | 3 | 3
Marc Savard | 0 | 3 | 3
Phil Kessel | 0 | 3 | 3
Dick Irvin** | 1 | 1 | 2
Frank Fredrickson** | 1 | 1 | 2
Babe Dye* | 1 | 1 | 2
Billy Burch* | 1 | 1 | 2
Andy Blair | 1 | 1 | 2
Hec Kilrea | 1 | 1 | 2
Ebbie Goodfellow | 1 | 1 | 2
Doc Romnes | 1 | 1 | 2
Georges Mantha | 1 | 1 | 2
Don Grosso | 1 | 1 | 2
Herb Cain | 1 | 1 | 2
Carl Liscombe | 1 | 1 | 2
Joe Carveth | 1 | 1 | 2
Bud Poile | 1 | 1 | 2
Jim Conacher | 1 | 1 | 2
Don Raleigh | 1 | 1 | 2
Wally Hergesheimer | 1 | 1 | 2
Walt Tkaczuk | 1 | 1 | 2
Vic Hadfield | 1 | 1 | 2
Bill Barber | 1 | 1 | 2
Pierre Larouche | 1 | 1 | 2
Steve Shutt | 1 | 1 | 2
Tim Young | 1 | 1 | 2
Bob MacMillan | 1 | 1 | 2
Dennis Maruk | 1 | 1 | 2
Rob Brown | 1 | 1 | 2
John Cullen | 1 | 1 | 2
Kevin Stevens | 1 | 1 | 2
Alex Zhamnov | 1 | 1 | 2
Martin Straka | 1 | 1 | 2
Alex Kovalev | 1 | 1 | 2
Milan Hejduk | 1 | 1 | 2
Zach Parise | 1 | 1 | 2
Daniel Sedin | 1 | 1 | 2
Tyler Seguin | 1 | 1 | 2
Harry Oliver** | 0 | 2 | 2
Duke Keats** | 0 | 2 | 2
Bill Carson | 0 | 2 | 2
Frank Finnigan | 0 | 2 | 2
Dutch Gainor | 0 | 2 | 2
Eddie Shore | 0 | 2 | 2
Johnny Gagnon | 0 | 2 | 2
Herbie Lewis | 0 | 2 | 2
Tom Anderson | 0 | 2 | 2
Gus Bodnar | 0 | 2 | 2
Metro Prystai| 0 | 2 | 2
Ken Mosdell | 0 | 2 | 2
Red Sullivan | 0 | 2 | 2
Ralph Backstrom | 0 | 2 | 2
Claude Provost | 0 | 2 | 2
Dave Keon | 0 | 2 | 2
Yvan Cournoyer | 0 | 2 | 2
Red Berenson | 0 | 2 | 2
John McKenzie | 0 | 2 | 2
Rick Martin | 0 | 2 | 2
Syl Apps, Jr | 0 | 2 | 2
Lanny McDonald | 0 | 2 | 2
Charlie Simmer | 0 | 2 | 2
Rick Middleton | 0 | 2 | 2
Dino Ciccarelli | 0 | 2 | 2
Jimmy Carson | 0 | 2 | 2
Alexander Mogilny | 0 | 2 | 2
Brendan Shanahan | 0 | 2 | 2
Eric Staal | 0 | 2 | 2
Henrik Zetterberg | 0 | 2 | 2
Taylor Hall | 0 | 2 | 2
Notes:
- The ratio of goals to assists has remained fairly constant since World War 2. Prior to World War 2, the numbers varied, but there were fewer assists given out per goal than today. So looking at points will probably underrate the offensive contributions of pre-WW2 playmakers and overrate the offensive contributions of pre-WW2 goalscorers.
- *Howie Morenz, Aurele Joliat, Babe Dye, Billy Burch, Nels Stewart, and Hooley Smith all had a least one Top 10 season in the NHL before 1926-27.
- **Bill Cook, Dick Irvin, Frank Fredreckson, Frank Boucher, Duke Keats, Harry Oliver, and George Hay all had significant seasons in the western leagues before they folded.
- Gordie Howe and Bobby Hull had a few Top 10 seasons in the WHA as older players. Nilsson had two Top 10 WHA seasons before coming to the NHL and Gretzky had one.
- Bobby Orr (6), Paul Coffey (6), Red Kelly (3), Eddie Shore (2), and Denis Potvin (2) are the only players to have multiple top 10 scoring finishes as defensemen since 1927. Kelly also had a 4th top 10 finish as a forward. Tom Anderson had one Top 10 finish as a forward and one as a defenseman. Bobby Orr (6), Paul Coffey (3), and Denis Potvin (1) are the only players to finish in the top 5 of NHL scoring as defensemen since 1927.
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