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Hahaha!! Holland is actually not all there I swear. We're going nowhere.
Hahaha!! Holland is actually not all there I swear. We're going nowhere.
He played over both Tatar and Nyqvist in the top 6 for most of last season. No reason it can't happen again.
I guess we can hope that he gets exposed in the expansion draft???
That's a minor possibility. Let's look with 7+3+1 tactic...
1. Zetterberg
2. Nielsen
3. Nyquist
4. Abdelkader
5. Helm
(Tatar, traded for a D)
6. Sheahan
(Larkin, exempt)
(Mantha, exempt)
7. Athanasiou
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Glendening, free to be picked
Jurco, free to be picked
Pulkkinen, free to be picked
Vanek, UFA free...
Miller, UFA free...
Ott, UFA free...
Don't see Helm left unprotected, if Holland doesn't change his protection tactic for 4+4+1 (4 defencemen) after he has acquired one quality 1D.
Then it could be:
1. Zeta
2. Nielsen
3. Nyquist
4. Athanasiou
(Tatar&Sheahan traded for a 1D)
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unprotected:
Abdelkader
Helm
Glendening
Jurco
Pulu
Vanek UFA
Miller UFA
Ott UFA
It almost looks like a better tactic, when you protect more from defence (1D, DeKeyser, Green, Marchenko). Losing 1 forward is a minor loss.
Helm is the new Cleary which everybody hates. 7th magical forward, which will fit both to Bottom6 and TOP6. That intangibles guy, true leader, our last Stanley Cup winner left we will have after Z retires.
Ok, to be clear, I am good with extending Glendening, and both the term and caphit given.
That comment was made in regards to the Holland comment that he can play 16-18 minutes a game against top lines.
You think he should be utilized like that? I'd like to know what advanced stats or context supports that. I like Glendening when Glendening is used how he should be.
Helm is the new Cleary which everybody hates.
In other words, easily replaceable...on every NHL roster except this one, apparently.Helm is the new Cleary which everybody hates. 7th magical forward, which will fit both to Bottom6 and TOP6. That intangibles guy, true leader, our last Stanley Cup winner left we will have after Z retires.
Helm is the new Cleary which everybody hates. 7th magical forward, which will fit both to Bottom6 and TOP6. That intangibles guy, true leader, our last Stanley Cup winner left we will have after Z retires.
It's funny how much people gravitate toward the "shiny new toys." I remember after Helm's first year or two, this board was gaga over him. He was the next Kris Draper, was going to wear a letter in short order, maybe the C eventually. Kid was lightning in a bottle.
Now he's just a pain in the arse and, like you said, falling in the Cleary bucket. And Athanasiou is Darren Helm circa 2010. The shiny new toy!
It's funny how much people gravitate toward the "shiny new toys." I remember after Helm's first year or two, this board was gaga over him. He was the next Kris Draper, was going to wear a letter in short order, maybe the C eventually. Kid was lightning in a bottle.
Now he's just a pain in the arse and, like you said, falling in the Cleary bucket. And Athanasiou is Darren Helm circa 2010. The shiny new toy!
Helm is the new Cleary which everybody hates. 7th magical forward, which will fit both to Bottom6 and TOP6. That intangibles guy, true leader, our last Stanley Cup winner left we will have after Z retires.
It's funny how much people gravitate toward the "shiny new toys." I remember after Helm's first year or two, this board was gaga over him. He was the next Kris Draper, was going to wear a letter in short order, maybe the C eventually. Kid was lightning in a bottle.
Now he's just a pain in the arse and, like you said, falling in the Cleary bucket. And Athanasiou is Darren Helm circa 2010. The shiny new toy!
People hate Helm's contract. I haven't seen anyone say they hate Helm.
That's because Helm was a great 4th line energy player who hit everything he saw. Now he's a top 6 forward getting necessary PP IT and has never eclipsed 35 points in a season.
You guys don't see the difference?
Clearly provided nothing but supposed leadership in his last years. Helm is still a solid player who can be a buzz saw some nights and catch fire on others. People didn't want him back because of the money he'd command and now people resent him for the money he makes, but most still like him as a player. He's actually one of my favorites and I didn't want anything to do with him coming back.
There are significant differences between Helm and Cleary, to be sure. However, the "shiny new toy" bias can be applied to both. To say he's one of your favorites but you also didn't want him back is kind of the epitome of that.
Suggesting that it's hypocritical to love a high energy player on an ELC and not want a declining high energy player with no offense on an overpayment (in years and dollars) is absurd.
BS. I love Helm as a player, but he adds nothing this team needs. I want him to go to some other team that's actually in position to win a cup. I don't want him being a roster anchor on this team, which is going nowhere.
What's absurd is thinking that anyone over the age of 27 is "on the decline." You believe what you've outlined above is absurd because you have built your position on a faulty premise.
The belief around here that prospects are always better options than players who are A) not superstars, and B) over the age of 27 (and therefor "declining") is what is absurd.
Helm adds plenty of things this team needs. Speed, forechecking, work ethic are a few. Those are things nearly every team needs. On top of that, he's an established NHL player with ample experience and knows what it takes to play at that level. To say he adds nothing to the Wings is also absurd.
I think Helm will be overused, and I think he is overpaid, but this narrative where he is hurting the Wings while at the same time would be a valued addition to a Cup contender is fantasy.