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Sens of Anarchy

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Not complaining at all. Making a fairly rational observation about the trajectory of this board after Dorion's firing. What will all that time be spent on instead? Most of the posts on here are complaints about his trades, the roster, the cap, his shenanigans, calling him dumb/an idiot, in-fighting behind closed doors, etc.

The only question I'm asking is what will fill the void? It's clear the fanbase doesn't wanna talk about much else. Am I wrong about that point? Let's have an honest discussion about this without any gotchas and re-litigating Dorion's "crimes". Forget all that stuff. Does the majority of conversation on this board skew towards the negative topics? And what will fill the void after the firing of the main culprit of it all?
You are just gong to have to wait on that and it would be appreciated if you did not attempt to engage in negative remarks about the fan base because your opinion does not coincide while we wait for that to play out. This kind of post takes away from discussion about the team and attempts to turn it into a discussion about and against the fans who post on the board. This is definitely unwanted content. Rather than criticize the board and its posters perhaps you can refute the points within the context of what is being discussed if and since you seem to be opposed to what is being said. It seems to me you should be adjusting your expectations that cause you to be continually disappointed to the point where you feel compelled to lash out against posters on the board.
 

Big Muddy

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Here's an idea that might blow your mind: What if we had a GM who was good? I believe all this "negativity" you speak of would all go away if our GM's actions weren't negative. You think people on here just want to complain for the sake of complaining? Maybe if we had nothing to complain about, there would be no "negativity".
You are probably going to hear about the rebuild at this point, which is OK. But what perplexed me is how we went from acquiring Duchene and paying handsomely for that, and changing course a doing a rebuild about a year later (or whatever the timeline was)? That would tend to raise some eyebrows you'd think and get people wondering about the decision making & those that make the decisions.
 
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Big Muddy

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If we forfeit a draft pick because of an action Dorion took, he should be fired. It's a point I've made before, continue to stand by it and, most importantly, is not relevant to the current point I'm making.

I'm not asking if there are currently negative things to discuss. I'm asking whether the majority of discussion on this forum focuses on negative topics and what will fill the void after the person, who is seen to be, at the root cause of it is fired? There's no gotchas here, no need to re-hash his tenure and analyze every move, quote, etc.


I don't disagree. I'm wondering what's going to fill the content vacuum after Dorion's dismissal. I never said we shouldn't have a good GM and I don't know why you're trying to hit me with this line of thinking like it's a gotcha moment.
Well, at least based on your first paragraph, it's good to know you think that there are some topics that are just inherently negative. But, it just seems like there's a lot of complaining about bad fans when it seems like people are just discussing the topical issues. It seems to jam up a lot of threads.

I don't think anyone needs to fill the "content vacuum". Most likely a good chunk of discussion will focus on whatever is happening at that time like it normally does. Let's get to that point where things are great first, then we can get to that later. Maybe things and people will surprise you then. If not, I'm sure you'll have something to say. Hopefully you can find some comfort from your delicate situation and the resulting anxiety it creates.
 

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It's positivity trolling. The same people would belittle people for complaining about roster decisions that were bad the moment the ink dried. "You seriously think trading a 2nd round pick is going ruin the franchise?!" Well, no. But trading a 2nd round pick for Derek Stepan is indicative of the horrible process that has us capped out with a barren farm despite missing the playoffs in 6 straight seasons.

A point that Hale and I (and others of course) made several times for years. It's not the ONE pick that hurts, it's the cumulation of bad moves...

Does giving up a 4th round pick for Josh Brown hurts? No, but we sold him for a 5th minus a 7th after realizing that he was not very good... So the cost in the end is 4th + 7th for a 5th

Another completely random example? Mike Hoffman, not the guy with the greatest value despite his offensive production but we actually paid a 5th to move him and received a 6th... We downgraded a pick and got a guy in a steep decline (Boedker) for a guy that had three 55+ pts seasons in a row (NHL scoring was lower than today). The Sharks humiliated us the same day by flipping him for much more.

Stepan and his 6.5 AAV... and to think that Montreal got a 1st round pick to take on Sean Monahan or that the Yotes got a 2nd + 7th to take on Gostisbehere, it's upsetting. Seriously, it's probably Dorion not understanding the market and thought that Stepan had value because of his lower salary vs cap... or got completely manipulated into thinking he should pay for that... it's insane

And I never see people talk about the 2nd + 3rd + 4th + 7th that we spent to get rid of Zaitsev (1.25 years) and Murray (75% of 2 years) contracts... to repair... some other Dorion blunders

Then you could even add stupidly drafting Tyler Boucher 10th OA after TANKING in 2020-21 (if you look at the roster decisions and the way 42 M$ were spent, what else could it be lol?)

We could go on all day seriously. If you add everything up, that is exactly why our pool is already drying up despite not even making the playoffs once. It's actually a miracle that we have a team with potential despite all the mismanagement but I think it has more to do with WHAT WE STARTED the rebuild with and the drafting 2017-2020 with Trent Mann at the head of scouting. And before people say Dorion should be credited for Mann, he was actually hired by Bryan Murray in 2011. So credit Dorion for not firing him earlier I guess.

If what has happened the last 7 years is NOT enough for some people to realize that Pierre Dorion is just NOT competent at this job, then NOTHING will. Denial is real.

Yes, it's a challenge no doubt. I don't know how you turn topical topics like this one (potentially losing a draft pick or whatever) into a positive thing for those that are more delicate. Maybe the Positivity thread would help them? Then they could say things like "we don't need those crappy draft picks anyhow", or "our team is stacked" or whatever gives them shelter in a more comfortable environment.

Coping mechanisms
 
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bert

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Well, at least based on your first paragraph, it's good to know you think that there are some topics that are just inherently negative. But, it just seems like there's a lot of complaining about bad fans when it seems like people are just discussing the topical issues. It seems to jam up a lot of threads.

I don't think anyone needs to fill the "content vacuum". Most likely a good chunk of discussion will focus on whatever is happening at that time like it normally does. Let's get to that point where things are great first, then we can get to that later. Maybe things and people will surprise you then. If not, I'm sure you'll have something to say. Hopefully you can find some comfort from your delicate situation and the resulting anxiety it creates.
I never have any discussions with this poster when I am positive. There are countless threads, he only quotes me when I point out something negative. The irony about content here is palpable. For example there is a Kings Sens thread right now I dont see him posting anywhere.
 

2CHAINZ

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I don't disagree. I'm wondering what's going to fill the content vacuum after Dorion's dismissal. I never said we shouldn't have a good GM and I don't know why you're trying to hit me with this line of thinking like it's a gotcha moment.
I am saying that the content vacuum might just be filled with positivity, other than Burrowsaurus and Adrianopolous they will ne negative no matter what lol.
 

bert

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I am saying that the content vacuum might just be filled with positivity, other than Burrowsaurus and Adrianopolous they will ne negative no matter what lol.
There are plenty of discussions that aren't negative. Posters choose what and how they want to engage. The thing is when there is someone that is constantly doing head scratching organization damaging, embarrassing things over and over again with no accountability. Its going to take up some conversation.
 

BondraTime

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Absolutely terrible, but it makes sense they are being punished harshly. I'm very surprised at how many seem to think it's just a minor mistake.

Absolutely horrible, Dorion is a pea brain.

At least they have the option :laugh:
 

SensHulk

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Absolutely terrible, but it makes sense they are being punished harshly. I'm very surprised at how many seem to think it's just a minor mistake.

Absolutely horrible, Dorion is a pea brain.
No arguments there, absolutely under no circumstances should Dorion be allowed to continue as GM

But the lack of transparency is just frustrating
 
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Bileur

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Dorion is a clown.

He should be escorted out of the building immediately.

It’s insane that the penalty is higher than the value of the initial trade.
 
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TheNewEra

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Absolutely terrible, but it makes sense they are being punished harshly. I'm very surprised at how many seem to think it's just a minor mistake.

Absolutely horrible, Dorion is a pea brain.

At least they have the option :laugh:
I'm guessing the option is what andlauer negotiated, otherwise it most likely would have just been set for this year
 

BankStreetParade

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Well, at least based on your first paragraph, it's good to know you think that there are some topics that are just inherently negative. But, it just seems like there's a lot of complaining about bad fans when it seems like people are just discussing the topical issues. It seems to jam up a lot of threads.

I don't think anyone needs to fill the "content vacuum". Most likely a good chunk of discussion will focus on whatever is happening at that time like it normally does. Let's get to that point where things are great first, then we can get to that later. Maybe things and people will surprise you then. If not, I'm sure you'll have something to say. Hopefully you can find some comfort from your delicate situation and the resulting anxiety it creates.
Can you point, specifically, to where I called them "bad fans"? I'm working on improving myself and I don't want to be caught in the same kind of negativity I'm apparently complaining about.
 

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