Current McDavid vs Prime Crosby

[BHD]

Didn’t know Jagr and Lemieux were part of the OP.

 

[Machinehead]

Jagr and Lemieux being better players isn't exactly controversial in my opinion.

It's not, but what I'm saying is, it doesn't really mean anything.

Lemieux and Jagr are also way better than McDavid. The fact that Crosby plays on their team is arbitrary.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Didn’t know Jagr and Lemieux were part of the OP.

Didn't know you had trouble counting to 4. I think one player can wind up on Mount Rushmore, I think the other won't.

McDavid is head and shoulders above everyone in a way I haven't seen since the greats in the 80s. Tough concept I now realize for a few.

By the way when this somehow becomes team related, McDavid would be supplanting Howe in that scenario for me and yes I can see him doing that when all is said and done. He is an exceptional talent, I watch Oilers games when the Wings are on just because I find him to be such a marvelous talent. I really haven't seen anything like him since Super Mario in terms of the sheer amazing ability in his game. I think Lindros threatened it for a second but was derailed by injury.

 

[BHD]

Mount Rushmore doesn’t have anything to do with the OP/poll.

 

[Machinehead]

Didn't know you had trouble counting to 4. I think one player can wind up on Mount Rushmore, I think the other won't.

McDavid is head and shoulders above everyone in a way I haven't seen since the greats in the 80s. Tough concept I now realize for a few.

He's not even head and shoulders above one of his teammates the last two years.

Every criticism you're throwing at Crosby (Malkin had better years, Mario is their best player) could easily be thrown at McDavid (Draisaitl had a better year, Gretzky is their best player).

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

He's not even head and shoulders above one of his teammates the last two years.

Every criticism you're throwing at Crosby (Malkin had better years, Mario is their best player) could easily be thrown at McDavid (Draisaitl had a better year, Gretzky is their best player).

I disagree with that. Love Draisaitl too. Just think McDavid is in his own tier in this league. And you could be the hiding behind Crosby's injuries to explain his loss of the Art Ross they did happen. I think McDavid's were less concerning long-term so it probably won't continue impacting his prime the same way hopefully. We will see, I just think McDavid is clear cut the best player in the league.

Agree with the second part, nobody is Gretzky.

 

[Machinehead]

I disagree with that. Love Draisaitl too. Just think McDavid is in his own tier in this league.

Agree with the second part, nobody is Gretzky.

But he's really not in his own tier. He has one Hart trophy and he's not even in the discussion this year.

Gretzky has nine Harts. Howe has six. Lemieux has three and would have about a dozen if Gretzky stuck to lacrosse. That's Mount Rushmore.

McDavid is not that. To be fair, I don't think Crosby is either (no knock on either of them) but you can't make that argument for one and not the other.

 

[K Fleur]

But he's really not in his own tier. He has one Hart trophy and he's not even in the discussion this year.

Gretzky has nine Harts. Howe has six. Lemieux has three and would have about a dozen if Gretzky stuck to lacrosse. That's Mount Rushmore.

McDavid is not that. To be fair, I don't think Crosby is either (no knock on either of them) but you can't make that argument for one and not the other.

Bingo.

These are all awesome players but I find it almost impossible to believe a world exists where Kucherov/Draisatl/Henrik Sedin beat Lemieux or Gretzky for scoring titles. That’s what being on your own tier really means

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

But he's really not in his own tier. He has one Hart trophy and he's not even in the discussion this year.

Gretzky has nine Harts. Howe has six. Lemieux has three and would have about a dozen if Gretzky stuck to lacrosse. That's Mount Rushmore.

McDavid is not that. To be fair, I don't think Crosby is either (no knock on either of them) but you can't make that argument for one and not the other.

I think McDavid enters the next five seasons as the odds on favorite there. He has tied him in Art Ross' already and has two Lindsay's his next one ties Crosby in both MVP formats. Some of this argument is being made for being in a better organization at the start of their careers. Great Crosby came into a better planned out tank and rebound, good for him. We will see if Holland can provide him with a lot more help than he had early on.

Some of it is projecting. I think McDavid does really well 20-25 making this argument a lot clearer. We will see, but that is my bet. We are in McDavid's prime still for me where he carries the day for a while longer here.

 

[Thenameless]

Yes and I choose McDavid because he reminds me more of the true Mount Rushmore players.

Neither McDavid nor Crosby is close to the Mount Rushmore players.

But, if anyone is closer it's Crosby. You really can't make Mount Rushmore without a Stanley Cup. And you think he looks better than a guy with three, and two Conn Smythes?

 

[BHD]

Crosby has been fortunate enough to player under two general managers who put together Cup-winning teams. So, I wouldn’t use Cups as the bar for how good either of them are. McDavid is preparing for just his second playoff run, let alone Cup, thanks in part to Holland taking over.

It would be more reasonable if you were to look at how each of them performed in the playoffs. But still... McDavid only has one showing.

 

[IPS]

Prime Crosby. Be real.

 

[IPS]

Crosby. Guy was robbed of the Hart in 2013. Tied Ovechkin in points (who played the full season). Finished 3rd in points in the league. Missed 25% of the season.

That's not even Crosby's peak.

Crosby's absolute peak IMO was in 2010-2011, too bad it got shortened by injuries. That was the best player hockey has seen in the modern era.

 

[BHD]

Crosby's absolute peak IMO was in 2010-2011, too bad it got shortened by injuries. That was the best player hockey has seen in the modern era.

That's 132 points over a full season (82 games). Although, it probably wouldn't count since Lemieux put up 160 back in '93, or something like that.

 

[Hockeyholic]

I suppose Crosby was a tad better (Including postseason) in their first five years.

 

[spiny norman]

Lopsided result.