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Soviet Union's champion: (32 times) 1948, 1949, 1950, 1955, 1956, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1968, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989

European champion: (20 times) 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1976, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990

CSKA vs NHL teams (34 games played in north-america and 2 games in Moscow. CSKA won both Moscow games)*

CSKA 27 wins
NHL teams 8 wins
1 tie

* = please, note home advantage, north-american rinksize, rules and refs.

Soviet Union league was world best league 1972-1979.

Note that CSKA didn't win Soviet league in 1974 and 1976.
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The Lone Elvi said:
But it was realistically an all star team which featured the best of the best players in the Soviet Union for the most part. To say that they were a club similar to the Montreal Canadiens is quite naive to the facts.
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Did you notice that CSKA didn't win Soviet league in 1974 and 1976?
 

EbencoyE

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Whole Soviet Union was a shame.
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It was? Shamefully run maybe. Spent way too much on the military which killed the economy - but you can't blame them for wanting to protect themselves.

Anyway, don't want to turn this into a political thing - so back on topic: CSKA was a very good club and might be the best club team ever. However there have been many great dynasties over the years. Unfortunately we can only imagine how they would've done against eachother.
 

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Did you notice that CSKA didn't win Soviet league in 1974 and 1976?
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So I assume that every team in the Soviet Union had a chance at the top young talent in the league depending on which team was the worst. It couldn't be that the vast majority of the nations elite talent was handed to the Red Army team in large part to build the chemistry needed for them to dominate against international opponents.

Is it just a coincidence that in the 1970s (up until 1980 season):
9/11 Goal Scoring Championships Won by CSKA players
6/11 Point Scoring Championships Won by CSKA players
9/11 Most Valuable Player Awards won by CSKA players

It is easy to point out the two times they didn't win the championships but when the club won the title from 1970-1989 all but two times it makes me be a bit skeptical about the nature of all of those wins.
 
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Soviet Union's champion: (32 times) 1948, 1949, 1950, 1955, 1956, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1968, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989

European champion: (20 times) 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1976, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990

CSKA vs NHL teams (34 games played in north-america and 2 games in Moscow. CSKA won both Moscow games)*

CSKA 27 wins
NHL teams 8 wins
1 tie
* = please, note home advantage, north-american rinksize, rules and refs.

Soviet Union league was world best league 1972-1979.

Note that CSKA didn't win Soviet league in 1974 and 1976.
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lemieux32*

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EbencoyE said:
It was? Shamefully run maybe. Spent way too much on the military which killed the economy - but you can't blame them for wanting to protect themselves.

Anyway, don't want to turn this into a political thing - so back on topic: CSKA was a very good club and might be the best club team ever. However there have been many great dynasties over the years. Unfortunately we can only imagine how they would've done against eachother.
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I believe he might have been talking about how the CSKA team was essentially an All-Star team. Players were drafted and forced to play for the team or not play at all.
 

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The Red Army was stacked. As a player developed on another club team into a star, he was sent to the Red Army to play. Really, the other teams had no chance. It would have been like the Oilers getting Lemieux and Jagr when they became good, then Hull, then Belfour and Roy, then Sakic etc.

The Red Army got all the good players and the rest of the league got the scraps. Kinda makes it easy for Tretiak to put up good numbers, eh?
 

Marcus-74

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Was it hard for Ken Dryden to put up good numbers in the ´70s NHL? Montreal was almost as dominant as CSKA!

And many star players like Maltsev, Vasiliev, Yakushev and Shadrin did not play for Red Army. It got slightly worse in the ´80s when Tikhonov was in charge. Then basically every star played on the team.

Anyway, IMO Habs are the best club team ever!
 

MaxV

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That's right, all the best players were drafted into the army and played for the Red Army team.

For some reason though, that didn't really help them in soccer. CSKA did win some USSR championship in soccer, but not a lot of them.

Acctually, ironically, the CSKA soccer team is A LOT more dominant now then they were during the USSR years.
 

MaxV

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BTW, if you guys didn't realize what happend if a player refused to join CSKA, check out this story:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduard_Streltsov

Arguably the best soccer player in Soviet history and one of the most talented of all-time in the World.

He lost 7 of his best years to labor camp(another name for prison) simply because he was loyal to his team.

How many players these days that are this loyal to their teams?
 
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