Value of: Crouse to DET

[datsyukfan]

Was just wondering if Arizona would have any interest in moving crouse. Think he’d be a great fit in DET playing in their top 6. Fits the age and he has term.

Berggren and wallinder could be a couple of pieces of interest for Arizona

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[Big Daddy Cane]

You’re not going to like how this thread will play out, with those pieces mentioned. Crouse plays a premium style and has good term at a friendly number. He’s a better asset than his numbers and the asks will reflect that.

 

[mouser]

If Crouse were available—by all accounts he isn’t—there would be some substantially better offers than this.

 

[wings95]

You’re not going to like how this thread will play out, with those pieces mentioned. Crouse plays a premium style and has good term at a friendly number. He’s a better asset than his numbers and the asks will reflect that.

What would be your ask? Middle six winger plus a potential top four D man, what else needs to be added? Wings probably won't trade their first.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

For Crouse?

Fabbri + Berggren + 1st in 2024 + 2nd in 2025

If not Berggren then Wallinder?

 

[OVO16]

If crouse is available more than half the league will be interested. They can get a better offer

 

[H3ckt1k]

Would absolutely love him on the wings but if he was available we'd be giving up more than what people would feel comfortable with, at least based on whats been offered so far. If I thought he would put us in contention I'd be all over that, but I'd rather use those pieces on a solid d man

 

[Nowotny]

That is hilarious:two minor leaguers that cannot make a mediocre team's roster( small winger drafted 6 years ago and defenseman who has a problem with defense drafted 4 years ago) for legitimate power winger with very reasonable contract? Do you realize Arizona has abundance of players like that in Tucson?

 

[rt]

More expensive than Chychrun to acquire.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Arizona fans deeply overrating a player who has (checks notes) a career high of 45 points on a garbage team.

Sounds about right. Why do the Wings trade for this guy when they are already one of the highest scoring teams in the league? Wings need defense, not forwards. I don't care about his "play style". You don't trade 1sts and premium assets for a 40 point winger based on "play style".

 

[Pukboy5kroner]

Arizona fans deeply overrating a player who has (checks notes) a career high of 45 points on a garbage team.

Sounds about right. Why do the Wings trade for this guy when they are already one of the highest scoring teams in the league? Wings need defense, not forwards. I don't care about his "play style". You don't trade 1sts and premium assets for a 40 point winger based on "play style".

Same reason Arizona fans overrate him is why fans of other teams inquire about him. The ask is unreal, but the want is as well. Just trade for Debrusk or whoever.

 

[MisterT]

Arizona fans deeply overrating a player who has (checks notes) a career high of 45 points on a garbage team.

Sounds about right. Why do the Wings trade for this guy when they are already one of the highest scoring teams in the league? Wings need defense, not forwards. I don't care about his "play style". You don't trade 1sts and premium assets for a 40 point winger based on "play style".

Well done. A single reply that encompasses the two primary meanings of ignorant.

 

[Chan790]

Arizona fans deeply overrating a player who has (checks notes) a career high of 45 points on a garbage team.

Sounds about right. Why do the Wings trade for this guy when they are already one of the highest scoring teams in the league? Wings need defense, not forwards. I don't care about his "play style". You don't trade 1sts and premium assets for a 40 point winger based on "play style".

I don't think they're overrating him. I'd give a lot to get him to Carolina in storm flag red and black.

 

[mouser]

Arizona fans deeply overrating a player who has (checks notes) a career high of 45 points on a garbage team.

Sounds about right. Why do the Wings trade for this guy when they are already one of the highest scoring teams in the league? Wings need defense, not forwards. I don't care about his "play style". You don't trade 1sts and premium assets for a 40 point winger based on "play style".

6’4” 220lb, 20+ goal power forward. Very good skater, plays a full 200’ 2-way game. Not a massive knock-out hitter, but consistently uses his size for advantage in all situations and doesn’t “play small”. Signed to a reasonable cap hit for three seasons after this one covering his prime until age 30. His play has continued to improve every season, including the current season. Alternate Captain for the team, and praised by the team and teammates for his leadership skills.

He’s the type of player every GM loves. He’d be deployed as a top 6 forward on most, if not all, teams in the league. Also the type of winger every puck hogging center loves—plays great without the puck on his stick. Very good at working the boards and corners to retrieve pucks back to his center, and crashing the net.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

6’4” 220lb, 20+ goal power forward. Very good skater, plays a full 200’ 2-way game. Not a massive knock-out hitter, but consistently uses his size for advantage in all situations and doesn’t “play small”. Signed to a reasonable cap hit for three seasons after this one covering his prime until age 30. His play has continued to improve every season, including the current season. Alternate Captain for the team, and praised by the team and teammates for his leadership skills.

He’s the type of player every GM loves. He’d be deployed as a top 6 forward on most, if not all, teams in the league. Also the type of winger every puck hogging center loves—plays great without the puck on his stick. Very good at working the boards and corners to retrieve pucks back to his center.

If Crouse were actually available, I’d offer Foegele, Broberg, and two firsts.

I don’t for a second believe he’s actually available.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

More expensive than Chychrun to acquire.

I get what you're saying, but Chychrun shouldn't have cost as much as he did.

Crouse would be worth the cost.

 

[unicornpig]

More expensive than Chychrun to acquire.

cool, he went for a lot less than what your clamoring for

 

[McJedi]

Was just wondering if Arizona would have any interest in moving crouse. Think he’d be a great fit in DET playing in their top 6. Fits the age and he has term.

Berggren and wallinder could be a couple of pieces of interest for Arizona

Keep adding from Detroit. A 1st round pick + another good prospect better than these two.

Arizona fans deeply overrating a player who has (checks notes) a career high of 45 points on a garbage team.

Sounds about right. Why do the Wings trade for this guy when they are already one of the highest scoring teams in the league? Wings need defense, not forwards. I don't care about his "play style". You don't trade 1sts and premium assets for a 40 point winger based on "play style".

Crouse for Seider.

A trade of two deeply overrated players.

 

[Chainshot]

If Crouse were actually available, I’d offer Foegele, Broberg, and two firsts.

I don’t for a second believe he’s actually available.

If Crouse were available, I would be keen on Buffalo putting their first in this draft into it with only a 1OA protection and that wouldn't be the only piece.

 

[rt]

cool, he went for a lot less than what your clamoring for

No he didn’t. For the vast majority of the entire debacle my belief was that he’d go for two assets worth approximately 25th overall and one asset worth approximately 55th overall.

They got 12th overall in 2023 and two future 2nds.

In 2022, 11th overall was traded for 27, 34, and 45. He returned that value and two 2nds.

There were times I thought he’d get more. And there were times I thought he’d get less. The majority of the time I expected approximately 25+25+55 and I ended up with approximately 25+35+45+55+55.

If Crouse were available, I would be keen on Buffalo putting their first in this draft into it with only a 1OA protection and that wouldn't be the only piece.

You could have him for just that one piece.

 

[unicornpig]

No he didn’t. For the vast majority of the entire debacle my belief was that he’d go for two assets worth approximately 25th overall and one asset worth approximately 55th overall.

They got 12th overall in 2023 and two future 2nds.

In 2022, 11th overall was traded for 27, 34, and 45. He returned that value and two 2nds.

There were times I thought he’d get more. And there were times I thought he’d get less. The majority of the time I expected approximately 25+25+55 and I ended up with approximately 25+35+45+55+55.

lol back pedal more, you were literally asking for teams blue chips. and the best arizona got was 12th ahahah

 

[rt]

lol back pedal more, you were literally asking for teams blue chips. and the best arizona got was 12th ahahah

You might be able to cherry pick some of those. I posted a lot. I’m telling you that my general expectation was almost always assets worth two picks in the mid twenties and one asset worth a pick in the mid 50s. You might have thought Durzi was worth the 20s asset and not the 50s asset and that Turcotte and Bjornfot were too. But that’s obviously not the case.

By the way, Daniil But is absolutely a blue chip prospect.

 

[Chainshot]

No he didn’t. For the vast majority of the entire debacle my belief was that he’d go for two assets worth approximately 25th overall and one asset worth approximately 55th overall.

They got 12th overall in 2023 and two future 2nds.

In 2022, 11th overall was traded for 27, 34, and 45. He returned that value and two 2nds.

There were times I thought he’d get more. And there were times I thought he’d get less. The majority of the time I expected approximately 25+25+55 and I ended up with approximately 25+35+45+55+55.


You could have him for just that one piece.

Alright then. I suppose I will have to see if Adams and Army can make that happen then.

 

[Djp]

If Crouse were actually available, I’d offer Foegele, Broberg, and two firsts.

I don’t for a second believe he’s actually available.

2 throe ind and 3 late 1st

It has to be more than chychrjn got in return

Ottawa pick >> 2 1sts
2 2nds>> csp dump and bromberg

 

[Heldig]

Coyotes are loaded with forward prospects and have very little depth on D.

If Detroit asks about him, I bet the Coyotes have a couple D prospects in mind.