Coyotes vs Leafs defense

[flamesforcup]

Which team has the better defense when healthy?
Yotes:

OEL-Hjalmarsson
Chychrun-Demers
Gologoski-Oesterle

Leaves:
Rielly-Muzzin
Gardiner-Zaitsev
Dermott-Hainsey

Let me know if i should make any changes to the D pairings. The way i see it the top pairs are pretty close to even idk who i would give the edge to but the Yotes second pairing is better. Idk much about the 3rd pairings to comment but i would give the edge to the Leafs (depends if Goligoski is still good Yotes fans want to comment?). Babcock did say he is going to keep Rielly-Hainsey together so Leafs fans if u want me to change it to that lemme know.

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[Hugh Mungus]

Yotes are deeper

 

[A1LeafNation]

Lol

 

[Puckstuff]

I feel OEL and Hjalmarsson have more brand power behind their names because of what they have done; where Muzzin is a smaller name but seems to be very good according to Kings fans (probably better then Hjalmarsson) and Rielly seems to have caught up to OEL this year.

This is probably Toronto based on this year but I would be quite biased in my answer as a leafs fan.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Flip a coin.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Gardiner-Zaitsev
worst second pairing in the NHL

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

the Coyotes group has the disadvantage of playing behind a weak forward group, but this is the Leafs

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

you could at least be neutral op and have it spelled leafs and not leaves.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

you could at least be neutral op and have it spelled leafs and not leaves.

he voted as a neutral fan, so he's obviously neutral

 

[Heldig]

Before the trade it was the Coyotes. Adding Muzzin tips the advantage to the Leafs.

 

[MyBudJT]

Rielly > OEL
Muzzin > Hjalmarsson
Gardiner > Demers
Dermott >= Chychrun
Hainsey >= Goligoski
Zaistev <= Oesterle

 

[GlitchMarner]

Gardiner-Zaitsev
worst second pairing in the NHL

Gardiner is a good second pairing defenseman. Zaitsev isn't great, true.

I doubt it's the worst second-pairing.


Since the beginning of '16-'17, Gardiner is in the top 20 in points among defensemen and tied for fifth in plus/minus. He consistently has positive relative possession stats.

NHL.com - Stats

 

[flamesforcup]

Rielly > OEL
Muzzin > Hjalmarsson
Gardiner > Demers
Dermott >= Chychrun
Hainsey >= Goligoski
Zaistev <= Oesterle

Im not even gonna touch the rest of that but you really think Dermott is better than Chychrun?

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Im not even gonna touch the rest of that but you really think Dermott is better than Chychrun?

it's close, but yeah. he contributes more offensively and has better defensive results, with worse partners. the only thing is he plays easier competition

 

[Wayne Primeau]

Yotes average 2.84 GA/GP. Leafs average 2.86.

Numbers don't lie. Coyotes.

 

[Apotheosis]

Leafs slightly. I think especially with the higher end guys on D, each Leaf option beats the Coyote option.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

Yotes average 2.84 GA/GP. Leafs average 2.86.

Numbers don't lie. Coyotes.

Judging a defense by GAA is literally the worst way you could possibly judge a defense.

 

[Wayne Primeau]

Judging a defense by GAA is literally the worst way you could possibly judge a defense.

Well, that's just not true. I could judge them by attractiveness.

 

[MyBudJT]

Im not even gonna touch the rest of that but you really think Dermott is better than Chychrun?

I said greater than OR EQUAL TO... I think its close, but I prefer Dermott.

As for the rest of my comparisons:

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[The Nuge]

Before the trade, it was Yotes by a mile. After the trade, it’s at least close, but still Yotes imo.

 

[LeafFever]

I feel OEL and Hjalmarsson have more brand power behind their names because of what they have done; where Muzzin is a smaller name but seems to be very good according to Kings fans (probably better then Hjalmarsson) and Rielly seems to have caught up to OEL this year.

This is probably Toronto based on this year but I would be quite biased in my answer as a leafs fan.

I am still trying to figure out what OEL has done exactly. He's accomplished nothing and his stats are not particularly impressive, yet he gets handed being a top D by everyone.

 

[LeafFever]

I am still trying to figure out how a team that's supposed top always have a horrible D, always has a good GA.

 

[Volica]

Using analytic comparative charts when looking at two different teams is a tough go, because it doesn't tell a story at all.

In terms of who's better?
OEL and Rielly are toss ups to me; I'd want neither as my 1D if I was building a cup winning franchise to be real with you. I might lean OEL because I've never actually seen him play on a good squad.
Hjalmarsson and Muzz? I like Hammer a lot. He's was instrumental on a number of cup runs. Couldn't go wrong with either though.
Demers or Gardiner? Is there a none option? I don't like either player.

Dunno. Both of these defensive groups are on the middle/bottom side of the league. Flip a coin.

 

[The Nuge]

I am still trying to figure out what OEL has done exactly. He's accomplished nothing and his stats are not particularly impressive, yet he gets handed being a top D by everyone.

Aside from the fact that the last 5 years he’s been 1st on his team in scoring twice, 2nd twice, and 4th once. He also scored 23 goals from the blue line. Even Karlsson’s never done that. He’s an elite dman who has been carrying a really bad team by himself.

I am still trying to figure out how a team that's supposed top always have a horrible D, always has a good GA.

You’re joking right? By having a top 3 group of forwards in the NHL, and an elite goalie. GA is a team stat. Toronto had a bottom 5 defense (before Muzzin), regardless of the GA

 

[LeafFever]

Aside from the fact that the last 5 years he’s been 1st on his team in scoring twice, 2nd twice, and 4th once. He also scored 23 goals from the blue line. Even Karlsson’s never done that. He’s an elite dman who has been carrying a really bad team by himself.



You’re joking right? By having a top 3 group of forwards in the NHL, and an elite goalie. GA is a team stat. Toronto had a bottom 5 defense (before Muzzin), regardless of the GA

Based on what stats?
Sorry, but no way are they where they are with a bottom 5 D.
Toronto doesn't even give up many high danger chances in shots.