COVID-19 Megathread (Please limit all COVID discussion to this thread)

[ILikeItILoveIt]

The Fix is in. The implied standard is: if players test positive in any quantity, shut it down. No distinction of severity. Fauci said we just can’t play football. As camps open, every positive test will add to the Death March.

The 19-20 season will be shutdown, along with 2o-21 season. The combo of no vaccine until mid-21, if at all, and the Winter flu season, will kill 20-21. They just don’t want to tell us upfront so they allow people to hope some-sort-of-normal is coming, only to socially slap-it-down by amplifying the cases (real and probable).

It’s a well traveled road of manipulation. Set an unattainable ideal as the goal, and then when it can’t be met, revert to reverse phases and forced cancellations and lockdowns.

in the meantime, our COVID-proof lifestyles kill us in other ways and ruin our lives. Next shoe to drop is school. Some summer camp will have kids getting sick, and every school system will retreat. Time won’t be their friend cuz school in the colder months are germ traps anyway, so kiss it goodbye until we have a cure.

it’s heads I win, tails you lose.

Wish the Elites would man -up and just tell us we have another year of no gatherings. It’s where it’s going.

 

[predfan98]

Already kids are having mental health issues . This jerking around is cruel.

Fix is already in. Multiple things closing for a year..... but what they are doing in education and the kids who will be left behind because of poverty, lack of internet access, etc etc etc. shameful.

 

[PredsV82]

Auston Matthews has apparently tested positive. Hopefully he has a mild/minimally symptomatic case, but this is exactly the worst case scenario that I have worried about ever since the league announced plans to reopen. All it will take is 1 superstar to have their career cut short and the response from the league and the NHLPA will be drastic I'm sure

 

[BigFatCat999]

Auston Matthews has apparently tested positive. Hopefully he has a mild/minimally symptomatic case, but this is exactly the worst case scenario that I have worried about ever since the league announced plans to reopen. All it will take is 1 superstar to have their career cut short and the response from the league and the NHLPA will be drastic I'm sure

Might be 2, TML's goalie is quarentining with him. Also the NHL said 11 of 200 tested positive.

 

[Armourboy]

It's not that surprising and without some seriously ridiculous measures there is no way to keep players from not getting it.

Essentially unless you completely cut yourself off from all human interaction for the duration the odds right now are that you will eventually end up with it.

 

[bdub24]

It's not that surprising and without some seriously ridiculous measures there is no way to keep players from not getting it.

Essentially unless you completely cut yourself off from all human interaction for the duration the odds right now are that you will eventually end up with it.

Nihilism?

 

[Armourboy]

Nihilism?

No? It's a highly infectious virus with no vaccine to combat it. What do you think is going to happen if you are out in public?

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

It sounds like the NHL should have found a way to fly 900 players, their families, support staff to New Zealand a couple months back. Then the playoffs would already be underway, right?

That's a place I wouldn't have any problem being "stuck" in for 6 months, if it came to that.

 

[PredsV82]

It sounds like the NHL should have found a way to fly 900 players, their families, support staff to New Zealand a couple months back. Then the playoffs would already be underway, right?

That's a place I wouldn't have any problem being "stuck" in for 6 months, if it came to that.

And its winter down there now

 

[bdub24]

No? It's a highly infectious virus with no vaccine to combat it. What do you think is going to happen if you are out in public?

If everybody would listen to science, not much. R values would stay below .7 and probably lower.

But this whole notion of F it we can make up our own rules based on our own beliefs is going to exacerbate the problem. Case in point: I had to go out today to get my dogs their shots. My vet is in a strip mall with other businesses. Procedures at this vet are the humans wait outside, techs come and get the pets and take them into the office. Then techs come with paper work to sign, collect payment etc. Are they sanitizing the pens and clipboards? No f-ing idea. Clueless patrons after me open the door and stick their heads in to get techs attention. Techs never wiped the door down after those idiots. And the business next door? Customers are allowed in.

So it’s all over the place with each business setting its own rules and some of those rules are just illusory in their effectiveness.

Real leadership would amplify the correct way to go about reopening to help these businesses that aren’t used to operating under these conditions, but we can’t seem to let the medical professionals ‘win’ now can we???

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

If everybody would listen to science, no much. R values would stay below .7 and probably lower.

Bur this whole notion of F it we can make up our own rules based on our own beliefs is going to exacerbate the problem. Case in point: I had to go out today to get my dogs their shots. My vet is in a strip mall with other businesses. Procedures at this vet are the humans wait outside, techs come and get the pets and take them into the office. Then techs come with paper work to sign, collect payment etc. Are the sanitizing the pens and clipboards? No f-ing idea. Clueless patrons after me open the door and stick their heads in to get techs attention. Techs never wiped the door down after those idiots. And the business next door? Customers are allowed in.

So it’s all over the place with each business setting its own rules and some of those rules are just illusory in their effectiveness.

Real leadership would amplify the correct way to go about reopening to help these businesses that aren’t used to operating under these conditions, but we can’t seem to let the medical professionals ‘win’ now can we???

F it. More scotch and Gonzo imperial porters for me, svp. I guess I sort of get it... some of us just aren't smart enough no matter what science says. Killing ourselves is one thing, though... I think a lot of it still comes down to SLS. Not enough people really care about their own lives, let alone the lives of others. Just F it. And as long as the nation balances that just right, it actually works out best for the plutocracy, so they have no incentive to rock the boat. If you can't hook us on religion as effectively anymore, at least hook us on fundamental disregard for the value of life. Starting with our own. The real nihilism in play. Even if we don't consciously acknowledge it to ourselves very often.

 

[FossilFndr]

I wish it was coordinated better but the experiment tonight could be very helpful. No pharmaceutical company or university could conduct a test relating to a highly infectious viral agent with a subject group of 19,000 individuals like the trump campaign is doing. If this was done right, checking temperatures and only admitting healthy or asymptomatic individuals then follow up in 14 days with priority COVID testing of the attendees and their families then valuable data could be obtained. Unfortunately if we have to depend on honest self reporting then that is problematic. Something tells me that the test group has a vested interest in non reporting any symptoms.

 

[Marty Party]

People are going to be people I reckon. As a society, we just have to do our best to not be hateful during these challenging times and to focus on the positive things in our lives.

One thing I am looking forward to is the day when bdub24 tells covid F you after victory has been declared.

 

[bdub24]

People are going to be people I reckon. As a society, we just have to do our best to not be hateful during these challenging times and to focus on the positive things in our lives.

One thing I am looking forward to is the day when bdub24 tells covid F you after victory has been declared.

Ohhhh baby! Me too! Cause it definitely sucks! And a lot is its fault!

 

[Armourboy]

If everybody would listen to science, not much. R values would stay below .7 and probably lower.

But this whole notion of F it we can make up our own rules based on our own beliefs is going to exacerbate the problem. Case in point: I had to go out today to get my dogs their shots. My vet is in a strip mall with other businesses. Procedures at this vet are the humans wait outside, techs come and get the pets and take them into the office. Then techs come with paper work to sign, collect payment etc. Are they sanitizing the pens and clipboards? No f-ing idea. Clueless patrons after me open the door and stick their heads in to get techs attention. Techs never wiped the door down after those idiots. And the business next door? Customers are allowed in.

So it’s all over the place with each business setting its own rules and some of those rules are just illusory in their effectiveness.

Real leadership would amplify the correct way to go about reopening to help these businesses that aren’t used to operating under these conditions, but we can’t seem to let the medical professionals ‘win’ now can we???

It's a nation of 300+ million people. I dont care what leader you have in place, you will never be able to force the masses to do things " the right way ". This country has never been in lockstep on anything.

We are one of the few countries in the world where the Central government doesn't have ultimate authority over everything. It has it's good side and its bad.

That great American spirit we hear about was born out of rebellion, protest, freedom and the ability to live your life as you see fit. Even if we were under Marshal Law people would be fighting the system.

There is a reason you have never heard the medical community talk about anything other than keeping the numbers manageable. Even in a nation like China where the government can do anything it wants its still spreading. Until we have a vaccine its going to continue to spread, and even then it may never stop. It may be like the flu and be something we always contend with. Government and leadership are not going to solve that problem.

 

[hockey diva]

I am going to nitpick. It’s martial law not marshal.

 

[lstcyr]

I am going to nitpick. It’s martial law not marshal.

Unless the marshal is Wyatt Earp. LOL

 

[bdub24]

It's a nation of 300+ million people. I dont care what leader you have in place, you will never be able to force the masses to do things " the right way ". This country has never been in lockstep on anything.

We are one of the few countries in the world where the Central government doesn't have ultimate authority over everything. It has it's good side and its bad.

That great American spirit we hear about was born out of rebellion, protest, freedom and the ability to live your life as you see fit. Even if we were under Marshal Law people would be fighting the system.

There is a reason you have never heard the medical community talk about anything other than keeping the numbers manageable. Even in a nation like China where the government can do anything it wants its still spreading. Until we have a vaccine its going to continue to spread, and even then it may never stop. It may be like the flu and be something we always contend with. Government and leadership are not going to solve that problem.

In a sweeping generalization, this passes the sniff test (born out of rebellion, freedom and all that bumper sticker stuff) it’s easy to wrap up America like that in order to let current leadership off the hook. The issue is - history. Historically when Americans have been threatened, we have absolutely rallied to the common cause. Dumb dissent was pretty quickly ignored and pushed aside where it belonged, not enabled as some sort of perversion of what the 1st Amendment intended. And you know why those things were fostered? Effective leadership.

And I agree with you. An R value of zero is completely unrealistic. Even after a vaccine. Thats why I never mentioned it.

 

[bdub24]

I wish it was coordinated better but the experiment tonight could be very helpful. No pharmaceutical company or university could conduct a test relating to a highly infectious viral agent with a subject group of 19,000 individuals like the trump campaign is doing. If this was done right, checking temperatures and only admitting healthy or asymptomatic individuals then follow up in 14 days with priority COVID testing of the attendees and their families then valuable data could be obtained. Unfortunately if we have to depend on honest self reporting then that is problematic. Something tells me that the test group has a vested interest in non reporting any symptoms.

Turned out to not have a large enough control group to be meaningful, I’m afraid.

 

[NoNecksCurse]

in Arizona, Florida, ect with daily highs in cases.. I would like to see the hospitalization/ICUs broadcasted more to the public. that's what is most important.

 

[FossilFndr]

Turned out to not have a large enough control group to be meaningful, I’m afraid.

Impossible, remember White House told us they had a million requests for tickets. Could it be possible that is inaccurate.

Say it ain't so Joe! That would be a scandal! Well maybe a hundred years ago.

 

[Armourboy]

In a sweeping generalization, this passes the sniff test (born out of rebellion, freedom and all that bumper sticker stuff) it’s easy to wrap up America like that in order to let current leadership off the hook. The issue is - history. Historically when Americans have been threatened, we have absolutely rallied to the common cause. Dumb dissent was pretty quickly ignored and pushed aside where it belonged, not enabled as some sort of perversion of what the 1st Amendment intended. And you know why those things were fostered? Effective leadership.

And I agree with you. An R value of zero is completely unrealistic. Even after a vaccine. Thats why I never mentioned it.

When Americans have been threatened by an outside force I would agree with you. This isnt WWII.

 

[bdub24]

When Americans have been threatened by an outside force I would agree with you. This isnt WWII.

No it’sWW III and the enemy isn’t another nation.

 

[ILikeItILoveIt]

Under the assumption that a decent percentage of players will ultimately get COVID, the team that has the most cases the earliest, will be advantaged. Assuming the cases are not serious and the player sits out for 14 days, Its like Tommy John surgery for pitchers these days. It's almost inevitable many pitchers will get it so some organizations are having prospects get in before they hit the majors so they max their innings at the major league level. So if we make the finals and our Top 6 already had it and came back, versus our opponent's top players who haven't, they run the greater risk of losing a key player during crunch time.

 

[drwpreds]

Auston Matthews has apparently tested positive. Hopefully he has a mild/minimally symptomatic case, but this is exactly the worst case scenario that I have worried about ever since the league announced plans to reopen. All it will take is 1 superstar to have their career cut short and the response from the league and the NHLPA will be drastic I'm sure

A few athletes testing positive for a virus that more than likely millions have right now in the US is the worst case scenario?? What if an athlete died of the flu?? If we can't have sports if there is even a single positive case or that we have to keep it shut down to avoid the incredibly miniscule chance that an athlete will die of this- then we may as well just shut everything down until the virus completely disappears. Which might be never. Because even with a vaccine there are zero guarantees against any of the above happening. We have a flu vaccine and it still kills a ton of people every year.

Anyone who did not expect this exact thing to happen was just not paying attention or fooling themselves. OF COURSE there are going to be a ton of positive tests.

The number of positive cases should absolutely not be the determining factor in making policy decisions, whether it is sports or anything else in this country.

Again, is anyone actually paying attention to the data??? If you are not elderly and/or have severe underlying issues, this entire thing is not very dangerous at all.

In my state- Alabama- you will find a ton of fear porn articles and dire headlines about a spike in positive cases. But no one mentions the fact that 95% of deaths in Alabama are those with preexisting conditions. Alabama has 839 deaths. That means that there have been approximately 42 deaths for those with no pre existing conditions. That is an overall death rate of ..00000857. Even counting all 839, the death rate in Alabama is .00017. We need to shut down for that?? Kids can't go to school?? No sports??? Destroy the economy? It is complete insanity.

My question continues to be- what is the endgame here? What is the answer? This thing is not going away anytime soon and a vaccine probably isn't happening either. So what happens- we live this way for how long? Do we just write off all sports until the miracle happens and the virus completely disappears?? That might not ever happen.

We better learn how to live with it- been saying it and will continue to say it- the strategy all along should have been- the elderly/sick are the group that needs to quarantine. The rest of us, with the proper precautions- need to go about living and keeping the country from completely falling apart.

My wife and I both have elderly parents who are very vulnerable to the virus. They have pretty much self quarantined themselves for the past 3 months and no one in our families has had hardly any contact with them. We have helped them get what they need in a safe as way as possible. I haven't seen either parent/in law since February. It is horrible and very hard- but THAT is the only way to go about this whole thing.

The only way younger people living their lives is going to "kill the grandmas" is if both the grandmas and the younger people are completely stupid about it.

But by the logic that many want to follow- including the sports world, people would tell us that our entire extended family should lock ourselves in our house, not work, etc- to avoid getting the virus and passing it to our parents. That just makes no sense and is completely illogical.

But having said all of that- are there going to be some healthy people, without conditions, who die of this virus?? Yes, absolutely- there is no avoiding it. But it is just the reality and there is absolutely no way to avoid it. You cannot shut the world down because of this or live your live in complete fear. We don't do it for any other of the many ways we die, and 7,500 people on average die every single day.

Just my 2 cents- at this point i certainly understand that i am probably still unfortunately in the vast minority