please stop posting unreviewed and unproven studies as evidence that you are making a reasonable point. you are spreading misinformation and trying to express doubt about a vaccine that has proven to be safe. the risks are minimal compared to contracting the virus, and you are completely ignoring that.
anyway while we’re just posting studies that support our views, here:
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The data is clear: Natural immunity is not better. The COVID-19 vaccines create more effective and longer-lasting immunity than natural immunity from infection.
- More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies
- Natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunity
- Natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination”
COVID-19 natural immunity versus vaccination
i expect that you won’t listen to this because it doesn’t fit what you want reality to be
I'll post whatever the f*** I want. It's not spreading "misinformation" (ugh) to call out that study, especially given I've repeatedly stated we still need additional studies on the topic.
The data is
not clear on this topic. The study you linked that shows "more than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies" was based on a study of just 72 people and they noted that
"we cannot formally exclude false-positive RT-PCR results in some participants". And your telling
me to stop posting unproven studies???
As for Natural Immunity fading faster, maybe that is the case, though your link also says
"studies are ongoing to evaluate the full duration of protective immunity" - but, the data is still clear right? The one study they do link on the topic is from November 2020, which looked at a whopping 156 frontline workers and notes in the summary that
"however, the timeline of antibody decline over time is uncertain".
As for your 3rd point that
"Natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination", the article you linked doesn't really provide backing data on this. It notes:
"Natural immunity can be spotty. Some people can react vigorously and get a great antibody response. Other people don't get such a great response," says infectious diseases expert Mark Rupp, MD. "Clearly, vaccine-induced immunity is more standardized and can be longer-lasting." - which I think is a fair comment.
The study that the article linked that shows that those with prior infection have a higher chance of reinfection versus those that were vaccinated is also rather flawed. The group that was tracked that was unvaccinated had acquired COVID at some point in 2020. The period tracked for subsequent infection was May 1 - June 30, 2021. So basically the vaccinated group had just gotten the vaccine prior to the period being tracked whereas the unvaccinated group may have gotten the virus more than a year earlier.
We know that natural immunity as well as the vaccine wanes over time. In many cases, it would likely be beneficial for someone with previous infection to get a vaccine shot as well. Getting the vaccine on top of natural immunity would certainly offer more protection - it's a matter of what additional levels. Perhaps one shot is more than enough protection, as some studies are starting to show (though it would vary by individual). There doesn't seem to be as much of a need for a 2nd shot of vaccine for those with natural immunity (particularly 20-something elite athletes) as it provides a much lower benefit. What we still don't know is the true levels of protection for those with natural immunity or how much benefit the first and second dose of the vaccine provide.
What is the reality that I want? I think natural immunity should be recognized and incorporated when you are making vaccine mandates.
As for
"the risks are minimal compared to contracting the virus, and you are completely ignoring that" - yes, I agree that the risks of the vaccine are minimal compared to contracting the virus, which is why I got the vaccine myself as did my entire family and encourage others to do so as well. I'm not ignoring that because I'm not advocating for anyone to skip the vaccine in favor of getting the virus. I'm simply stating that those that have already unintentionally gotten the virus (which appears to be the case for this player) and developed a level of natural immunity should have that taken into consideration when it comes to these mandates.