Could St. John's be joining the QMJHL in 2017-18?

chsb

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No. There has been no improvement. They're merely treading water waiting for a miracle.

Eventually local owners will be sick of losing money.

Yes there has been improvement.

For the 1st time under new ownership, this team should average over 2000 fans per season, and that is corroborated by season ticket sales so far.

For a team who had problems drawing Euros, the Titan are heading for 5 Russians in their lineup next season.

Plus they will be an exciting team to watch for the next 2-3 years for sure.

IMHO if St-John really want a Q franchise, they will have to wait till the next expansion, if there is....
 

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Yes there has been improvement.

For the 1st time under new ownership, this team should average over 2000 fans per season, and that is corroborated by season ticket sales so far.

For a team who had problems drawing Euros, the Titan are heading for 5 Russians in their lineup next season.

Plus they will be an exciting team to watch for the next 2-3 years for sure.

IMHO if St-John really want a Q franchise, they will have to wait till the next expansion, if there is....

The Q will expand eventually to fix the problem they have with the divisions and playoffs format. I don't think it will happen for other 5-10 years
 

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Has anybody heard anything new on the St.John's front? Kinda curious if this is something that could potentially happen or just conjecture....
 

Wince

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Has anybody heard anything new on the St.John's front? Kinda curious if this is something that could potentially happen or just conjecture....

I emailed Robin Short at the Telegram just now. Paddy mentioned rumours on Open Line yesterday morning. If Robin replies I'll come back and post it here.
 

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More rumors that St. John's might be back in the QMJHL next season

The old saying goes, where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

If that’s the case regarding a Quebec Major Junior Hockey League return to St. John’s, then current teams in the Q better brush up on their Newfoundland dialect and culture. Word around QMJHL rinks has the league leading Blainville-Boisbriand Armada and the oft maligned Acadie-Bathurst Titan among the leading candidates to call St. John’s home as soon as next season.

It is a certainty that one of the best hockey facilities in Eastern Canada, Mile One Centre in St. John’s, Newfoundland, will be losing its main tenant at the end of this hockey season. The American Hockey League’s St. John’s IceCaps will move to Laval, Quebec in September to be closer to the parent Montreal Canadiens. IceCaps CEO Danny Williams and COO Glenn Stanford are actively pursuing teams and leagues to fill the void and are on record as saying the QMJHL along with the AHL and ECHL are all on their radar. The QMJHL makes the most sense and is likely the most realistic option.

The Titan are perennial relocation candidates given their league worst attendance. Officially, Titan attendance is 1600 per game, however visiting players, coaches, and media report the real number as low as 300 on a given night, including ushers and concessions staff. A Titan move would allow the league to keep its current structure of three divisions of six teams, with St. John’s slotting into the current Maritimes Division (likely to be renamed Atlantic). By the way - The Titan have a very exciting young roster that could contend for a league title next season. 17 year old forward Antoine Morand will be a superstar for the next 2-3 years in the QMJHL. Also on the roster is Gander’s Jordan Maher who would be a candidate for Captain.

The Armada rumour is intriguing as this is the original Fog Devils franchise from 2005 that has since moved to Montreal and now Blainville-Boisbriand. The Armada’s facility is among the nicest in the QMJHL, but is also 15 minutes from the new rink in Laval where the current St. John’s AHL team will begin play in 2017-2018. QMJHL commissioner Gilles Courteau is on record as saying all current 18 teams will be back next season and expansion and relocation are not on the radar. But, really, what else would he say?

Source: http://my.eastlink.ca/eastlinktv/home/programming/sports/postgamewithkrisabbott.aspx
 
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Kobe Armstrong

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That would be brutal for some of these kid in junior, there's no easy way to get to St. John's from Quebec.

From Montreal, it'd be a 30+ hour long bus trip to get there, and then 30+ more on the way back. And the kids who played for St. John's would have to do it every other weekend. No junior teams can afford air travel every game, it's even hard for the AHL team to travel for in-conference games. There's a reason Montreal is moving the AHL team closer to home.

It's sad because St. John's will sell out their arena every game and love their team unconditionally, it's just a logistical nightmare. They have an incredible fanbase though.
 

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The Armada rumour is intriguing as this is the original Fog Devils franchise from 2005 that has since moved to Montreal and now Blainville-Boisbriand. The Armada’s facility is among the nicest in the QMJHL, but is also 15 minutes from the new rink in Laval where the current St. John’s AHL team will begin play in 2017-2018. QMJHL commissioner Gilles Courteau is on record as saying all current 18 teams will be back next season and expansion and relocation are not on the radar. But, really, what else would he say?

Blainville moving to St. John's would be great for the league fixing a couple problems.

1. Blainville and Québec still have the same owner.

2. Moving a Quebec team to St. John's would give the Q an opportunity to go back to 2 divisions and change the playoffs format.
 

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The team will not be able to stay if they are picking up 50% of flights.

Not sure how the arena deal would work, but if it's not changed from before they're dead in the water.

I wouldn't be surprised, but everyone knows they won't last. It's not fiscally sustainable. They'll have 1-2 good years on the gates, then go down the drain.
 

IceCapsHabs

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Any News with this ? Last I heard Blainville-Boisbriand Armada or Acadie–Bathurst Titan where the two teams with rumors of relocating.
 

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Quebec Major Junior Hockey League president Gilles Courteau holds his annual state of the league press briefing today on the eve of the QMJHL’s annual draft in Saint John, N.B., and it’s pretty much a guarantee Courteau will be asked about the possibility of the Q returning to Newfoundland, especially in light of Thursday’s online column from Stephane Leroux of RDS.
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Leroux predicts the league will be back in St. John’s within the next two years as the result of ongoing efforts to find a Mile One Centre replacement for the St. John’s IceCaps, whose six-year stay in the American Hockey League is over.
When it comes to the QMJHL, there may be no better-connected journalist than Leroux, but his Thursday column is as much of a speculative piece as a straight story and, as such, shouldn’t be treated as an offering of absolute facts.

For one thing, Leroux says a group of businessmen led by Glenn Stanford and Tony Kenny are seeking a QMJHL franchise for St. John’s.

It’s been known for sometime that Stanford, who had been the IceCaps’ chief operating officer, has been working on acquisition of a QMJHL franchise, but that effort definitely does not include Kenny.

If Kenny is indeed after a team, it would be more likely that it would be as part of some sort of a competing bid, just as was the case in 2004, when Stanford, then working the point for St. John’s Sports and Entertainment (SJSE), sought a QMJHL expansion franchise for St. John’s, what with the AHL’s St. John’s Maple Leafs about to leave town. Also looking for a ‘Q’ team at the time were two other groups — one led by businessman Derm Dobbin and the other known as JCT Enterprises, whose moniker came from the first names of its principles — John Fisher, Chris Moore and Kenny. JCT eventually dropped out and the league went with Dobbin’s bid over SJSE’s, resulting in the brief three-year QMJHL history of the St. John’s Fog Devils before that franchise was sold and relocated to suburban Montreal in 2008.

Kenny was associated with a second effort to bring a QMJHL team here. That was 2010, when he, Fisher and Mount Pearl lawyer Bill Kennedy attempted to buy the Acadie-Bathurst Titan and relocate that team to St. John’s. They weren’t successful saying they got little or no co-operation from Mile One operator SJSE. Instead, a little over a year later, the AHL was back in St. John’s in the form of the IceCaps.

Leroux said it is his belief a new team in St. John’s could result from expansion, noting the potential for the league’s member teams to share in the expansion fee.

However an expanded QMJHL would run counter to what’s transpired — or not transpired — to date.

For one thing, a number of league sources have said the QMJHL is leery about diluting its player pool. For another, Stanford’s work at securing a major junior franchise has been going on for the better part of a year, ever since learning the Ottawa Senators would be moving their farm club to Belleville, Ont., thereby eliminating St. John’s last real hope of obtaining another AHL team.

Had the QMJHL really been interested in expanding (at least this year), there would have been plenty of lead time to make the arrangements for an expansion team to begin play this fall. Instead, Stanford’s focus has been on acquiring an existing team, although he hasn’t found a willing seller as of today, meaning the earliest we now could expect major junior hockey here is 2018-19.

Leroux lists the Gatineau Olympiques, Blainville-Boisbriand Armada, Charlottetown Islanders and Titan and teams that have already been approached, which falls in line with various reports over the past winter.

There were a couple of other interesting points in Leroux’s column.

For one thing, he revealed Courteau and the league have already checked with the Newfoundland and Labrador government to gauge this province’s stance regarding the ongoing class-action lawsuits which claim major junior hockey players in Canada should be treated as paid employees not amateur athletes. If anything, that would at least reveal the QMJHL’s genuine interest in the possibility of reappearance in St. John’s.

Leroux also suggested any expansion fee — and it could be assumed, the price of existing QMJHL franchise — would be about $6 million, although that seems a tad high considering that would be twice as much as it cost Dobbin to acquire the Fog Devils expansion team in 2005.

But whatever the hits and/or misses, you can be assured there is plenty of solid background to what Leroux writes, meaning his column — and perhaps some resulting comments from Courteau today — will assuredly intensify the buzz about the possibility of QMJHL 2.0 in St. John’s.



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Source: http://www.thetelegram.com/sports/h...ear-he-buzzing-about-the--q--back-in-st-.html
 

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One thing that I will say is that if you want St.Johns to succeed you need to have some form of talent. They don't need to win a lot and go far in the playoffs, but as long as there's 1-2 players to watch on the team you will get butts in the seats.
 

Jack Bauer

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One thing that I will say is that if you want St.Johns to succeed you need to have some form of talent. They don't need to win a lot and go far in the playoffs, but as long as there's 1-2 players to watch on the team you will get butts in the seats.

You don't get to break the cycle of junior hockey for 1 market. Eventually you get those 1-2 players to watch but you also go through periods where you don't have that.

St. John's needs a solid business plan based on 3500-4000 fans in their rink every night. That's the only way they generate enough revenue to both pay the travel costs for everyone to get there and be able to put a solid product on the ice.

They also need to stop the absolute nonsense of ownership groups fighting with with the people who run the building which meant they were really in trouble before they ever started the first time they got a team. You really need everyone on board and pulling in the same direction to make this work.

There are many examples to look back on from the first failed attempt of what went wrong and how to avoid it.

I hope they get it figured out because the potential is there to have a great market.
 

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