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I'm in the other boat, I don't care what position it is, elite talent is worth elite moneyPerry's probably worth it, but I still don't like that much for a wing.
I'm in the other boat, I don't care what position it is, elite talent is worth elite moneyPerry's probably worth it, but I still don't like that much for a wing.
Ken Holland is going to have to offer Pavel Datsyuk $10 million to even try to get him to stay. The more elite free agents I see signed to long-term deals the more depressed I get about how bad this team could be when Datsyuk leaves. The odds of Detroit ever signing a big free agent with Ken Holland at the Helm is about .01%
You answered your own question, cheersWhy In the world would Ken Holland have to offer Pavel Datsyuk $10 Million to stay, First off he either goes home to Russia or he reups with the Wings for a year or two He's not going to hit the open market so there Is no way In the world that the demand will be there for that kind of salary he would take his current salary of $6.7 million most likely Pavel has already won 2 Stanley Cups so he has nothing more to prove. He will be 36 years old next year there Is no way In the world he will get paid $10 million to stay In Detroit Ken Holland would let him walk back to Russia before that happen.
you said teams "shouldnt pay stupid money for players."
that means you feel the Ducks paid stupid money for getzlaf and perry as both getzlaf and perry are players and the ducks just paid them.
what would you do as the ducks GM?
if this summer datsyuk and zetterberg were both 26/27 and ufa's would you let them walk? its all great to say no sign them for less but that only happens if they take less then the market dicactes they're worth and that rarely happens around the nhl. guys like perry and getzlaf and suter and parise and weber get paid and paid well.
this isnt arguementative by any strech just was looking for more clairty is all
I'm not sure I remember a lot of people pushing to give Parise north of $100M. Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I thought the Wild's original offer was substantially less than what he ended up getting because Suter was willing to take less so they would have equal contracts.
I'm not sure I remember a lot of people pushing to give Parise north of $100M. Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I thought the Wild's original offer was substantially less than what he ended up getting because Suter was willing to take less so they would have equal contracts.
You're not remembering incorrectly.
I think the only people willing to offer Parise $100m+ were a few message board posters (and maybe Paul Holmgren ). I don't remember hearing of any offers that high actually given to him.
But, but Semin is a locker room cancer! I like to daydream about how much better the Red Wings offense would be with Semin in the line-up.I would have been willing to go 100 million on Suter, I thought that was his magic number to not even listen anywhere else 13 or 14 years at that number. Plus I thought and still do think that he would age well. Preferred Semin to Parise from day 1, as Semin is the better player. I wouldn't pay Parise anymore than the Wings reported offer to him, which was pretty insulting when stacked up next to some of the other leaked rumors.
You are correct in reading that I would not have given both Getzlaf and Perry $8.25m and $8.625m respectively for 8 years (both with NMCs according to CapGeek). I think it's ridiculous to tie up ~25% of the Cap for the near future in TWO players.
That being said, in the case of the Ducks, I definitely agree that their hands (or wings?) were tied. Would I have offered them the contracts they got? No. I would have offered a smaller number ($7.5m max) for the max amount of years; I MIGHT have given one of them one of those contracts, but not both.
Whether or not that would have flown (pun intended?), well, who knows.
It's definitely a tough choice, and I don't envy the decisions Front Offices have to make sometimes (though they do get paid REALLY well to let criticisms roll of their backs). Hindsight is always 20/20, and in retrospect, again, it would have been a tough choice; for me, if all things were equal, I would have let Zetterberg walk and kept Datsyuk (always liked Datsyuk from the first time I saw him play), and tried to find a comparable via free agency or trade. It might have been a poor choice, or a great one, but we'll never know.
And I apologize for jumping all over you earlier -- and that mini-rant wasn't directed solely at you... there's just been too much "attacking" lately, and it's wearing VERY thin.
Hey, Brick, am I still on schedule for my rants?
allright i respect this post and a man that backs up what he say's.
I simply think going to July 1st hoping to sign key/core players to secure the future of your pro sports franchise is what leads GM's to by and large overpay for lesser players and is basically a failure of your mgmt team. However when it comes to superstars you spent time scouting, drafting and developing on your own and who are both so integral to your teams success today and tomorrow, that sometimes its both needed and warranted to do whatever you have to do to keep them.
I guess I just think what the Ducks did was the right thing
andddddd moved on..
Imagine this.
Datsyuk's contract expires and he doesn't demand a 4-5 year deal till retirement.
But rather a 2 year deal at 9-9.5 Mil per season.
Do you pay it?
My answer would be Yes. To any amount basically.
And I apologize for jumping all over you earlier -- and that mini-rant wasn't directed solely at you... there's just been too much "attacking" lately, and it's wearing VERY thin.
Hey, Brick, am I still on schedule for my rants?
allright i respect this post and a man that backs up what he say's.
Fair enough.
The problem isn't the amount per se, what would concern me as an Anaheim fan is that it has already been shown that it's perfectly possible for them to be a mediocre team in spite of Getzlaf, Perry, Ryan *and* Selanne who will probably retire in a couple months.
Datsyuk would be fine for two year extension, even for 10 million. We have no cap problems for those years, our cap problems come back to consideration when the next generation of greatest prospects starts getting extensions. And that's not happening in next three years.
But I think Holland offers the same 6.7 million salary Datsyuk currently has when they start negoating. It was the Lidström way, you get older, but still are keeping your level = same salary. Or why not Zetterberg money at 7.5M? That ain't too high either, when the contract is short.
I think it's just the cost of doing business these days. Obviously a GM has to be smart and only go that high on contracts for franchise players, while building in a cost-effective manner around those guys.
This season, we've more or less been a mediocre team in spite of Datsyuk and Zetterberg- it happens.
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My god... Id pay 12Mil to Datsyuk to make sure that never happens!! LOL
Something Something "Parity"
Something Something "We like our team"
The salary cap system will create many teams of equal talent levels. And the idea of having "super" teams and "basement" teams is a thing of the past. You tweak Florida and Buffalo a bit, and their teams are good again. You tweak the Rangers a bit and they go from first to ninth.
I'm in the other boat, I don't care what position it is, elite talent is worth elite money
You're not remembering incorrectly.
I think the only people willing to offer Parise $100m+ were a few message board posters (and maybe Paul Holmgren ). I don't remember hearing of any offers that high actually given to him.
No, the other way around.
Wait, so Parise turned down money to pay Suter more?
Yes, he wanted them to have identical contracts.