Convince me why the Avs should take Seth Jones over Drouin.
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Pretty much this, and I will add that Jones is the consensus BPA of the draft. No other reason not to. He is the best.
-BPA. Theres no Tavares/Stamkos level forward prospect and I don't think there is even a Hall level prospect. More like a Yakupov/Seguin tier. Seth Jones has the potential to be a top 5 dman in the league.
-Team needs.
-Build from the d out.
-Team needs.
-Build from the d out.
I'd be fine with any one of Jones, Mackinnon, Drouin, or Barkov to be honest. I even like that Russian kid but don't think the Avs would ever draft him considering he just signed a 2 year KHL deal.
Jones is the more immediate need and the best player available in the draft. Drouin/Mack is a wash IMO, Barkov is a smart big bodied player as well. Mack or Barkov could both be converted to wing very easily as well.
With all that said, I kind of figured it was a toss up between us and Calgary for 2nd/3rd but Florida is probably going to be drafting #1 and they are a wild card as to who they will pick because they need either of the forwards more than Jones.
I've actually seen Mackinnon's puck hunger and goal scoring ability compared to Stamkos to be fair.
Jones is the more immediate need and the best player available in the draft. Drouin/Mack is a wash IMO, Barkov is a smart big bodied player as well. Mack or Barkov could both be converted to wing very easily as well.
With all that said, I kind of figured it was a toss up between us and Calgary for 2nd/3rd but Florida is probably going to be drafting #1 and they are a wild card as to who they will pick because they need either of the forwards more than Jones.
I've actually seen Mackinnon's puck hunger and goal scoring ability compared to Stamkos to be fair.
just fold the franchise. Pierre Lecouix eats too many subway sandwhiches, and Landeskog is a bust.
Hennessy
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There you have it.
The Avs have decent forward depth. They could stand to add a scoring winger, but that's secondary to getting a potential centerpiece on D. Even if one assumes that Barrie, Elliott and Siemens all pan out, Jones is a type that is missing from the organization. A type that is pretty hard to come by through trade or FA. A top line, 2-way defenseman is a much rarer animal than a scoring winger. So considering the team's need as well as the availability of such players, to say nothing of either the BPA aspect or, yes, the fact that Jones has grown up an Avs fan, it's pretty clear that he should be the target at the draft.
Cypher
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Hoping the Avs get Jones, but that would mean one of Barrie/Elliott/EJ will get traded.... they can't all play Right-D. My money's on Barrie (Elliott has history with Siemens and EJ won't get traded unless a new GM comes in).
Wonder what a package of Stastny + Barrie could get. LHD and scoring winger would be ideal.
Wonder what a package of Stastny + Barrie could get. LHD and scoring winger would be ideal.
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Duchene2MacKinnon
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Jones is the consensus BPA? You don't draft based on what the consensus is. If they do why do teams spend miklions on scouting? Why do people like Pracey have a job?
There's no Tavares in this draft based on what exactly? Not even a Hall? Funny Nail was considered the next bog thing last year. Drouin has the potential to be a top 5 forward potential. Prove me wrong.
Draft BPA
Well the doesn't make sense. Good thing penguins and caps didn't draft Barker over the 2 Russians.
Tommy Shelby
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Top-6 wingers are much easier to come by via FA or trades then top-2 D-men are.
People are way too enamored with Drouin I feel, and if you're going to complain about how awful our D is but then want us to skip over the best D-man in the draft in favor of a winger...then I'm confused.
People are way too enamored with Drouin I feel, and if you're going to complain about how awful our D is but then want us to skip over the best D-man in the draft in favor of a winger...then I'm confused.
Congo Jack
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Geez Pierre needs to get the boot ASAP, I mean, even we know that the Avs prefer Quiznos.
Hans Landaskog
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$2 meatball marinara would like a word with you.
While I do see Seth Jones being somewhat of the obvious choice. My thought process is that we have a 1 in 4 chance of getting him(at best). I see Drouin as that impact forward to bolster up our 1st line Drouin - Duchene - PAP = yummy. I also see that as a reason to maybe move some dead weight and find a decent dman through trade or FA. Maybe even move up in the draft and grab a Dman late in the 1st.
GirardIsStupid
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Drouin's decking ability is the direct result of him being able to react to a play far more quickly than most athletes can think. He's an incredibly intelligent player who can read the play steps ahead of what other players see on the ice. He's a much safer bet than Seth Jones. Defense is such an incredibly difficult position to play and I've seen Serh Jones have difficult handling forwards near the crease. As well, finding any level of consistency amongst defenseman seems to be more difficult these days. Just look at Tyler Myers as one such example. Talent does not necessarily translate into success as an NHL defenseman.
dahrougem2
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Lol what? I take it you haven't seen the kid play at all? He's got 40-50 goal scorer written all over him and I'll bet you he turns out to be better than Taylor Hall. Kid's stuck on the 3rd line all season playing with Shawn Horcoff and Ryan Smyth, ,there's a reason he isn't exactly lighting the league up this season but make no mistake about it he will be a fantastic player. Ovechkin 2.0, just a smaller body but just as physical. If this was his draft year, I'd still take him over both MacKinnon and Drouin
However, I agree with your defense rationale, this team needs Jones
falconski
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Skating can be taught. Tavares was arguably just as bad or worse than Drouin when he was drafted.
cookymonster
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1- team's need
2- lot of people say he's nhl ready
3- local kid
4- i was convinced at the world's junior this past december, he'll be a stud
good day!
2- lot of people say he's nhl ready
3- local kid
4- i was convinced at the world's junior this past december, he'll be a stud
good day!
Freudian
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He's considered to be the best prospect in this draft and fills a need here.
You don't draft because people are lighting up CHL. You draft who will be the best at 25. Forwards, especially with pure offensive skills, always look relatively better in their draft year than defenders do (unless they play like a fourth forward like Murphy or Ellis).
With the caliber of consolation prizes this year, there is no reason to freak out. Avs could pick fifth overall and still get a good player.
You don't draft because people are lighting up CHL. You draft who will be the best at 25. Forwards, especially with pure offensive skills, always look relatively better in their draft year than defenders do (unless they play like a fourth forward like Murphy or Ellis).
With the caliber of consolation prizes this year, there is no reason to freak out. Avs could pick fifth overall and still get a good player.
Cousin Eddie
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