comparing draft years 2003 vs. 2005 (1st round)

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  1. Form and Substance

    Form and Substance Registered User

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    We generally consider '03 to be a strong draft class, how would the '05 draft stack up? Let's look at each player individually by their HF ratings and by their draft positions and compare them to the top 30 players eligible for the '05 draft. Take into account that some elite talents (O'sullivan, Fritsche, Pineault) weren't selected in the first round, so we'll leave them off anyway. Assign the players from the '05 draft preliminary ratings.

    Not in order:
    Sidney Crosby
    Gilbert Brule
    Jack Johnson
    Guillaume Latendresse
    Carey Price
    Nicklas Bergfors
    Dan Bertram
    Tuuka Rask
    Alex Vincent
    JP Levasseur
    Chris Durand
    Benoit Pouliot
    Alex Bourret
    Marek Zagrapan
    Teemu Laakso
    Jack Skille
    Luc Bourdon
    Risto Korhonen
    Evan Brophey
    Bobby Ryan
    Devin Setoguchi
    Brian Lee
    JP Paquet
    Ryan O'marra
    Jakub Kindl
    Patrick Davis
    Matt Lashoff
    Ryan Stoa
    Andrew Cogliano
    Marc Staal
    Add your own

    2003
    1.Marc-André Fleury 9.0 B
    2.Eric Staal 9.0 B
    3.Nathan Horton 8.5 B
    4.Nikholai Zherdev 9.0 A
    5.Thomas Vanek 8.5 B
    6.Milan Michalek 8.0 B
    7.Ryan Suter 8.5 B
    8.Braydon Coburn 8.0 B
    9.Dion Phaneuf 9.0 A
    10.Andrei Kotsitsyn 8.5 C
    11.Jeff Carter 9.0 B
    12.Hugh Jessiman 7.5 B
    13.Dustin Brown 8.0 B
    14.Brent Seabrooke 7.5 A
    15.Robert Nilsson 8.0 C
    16.Steve Bernier 7.5 B
    17.Zach Parise 8.5 A
    18.Eric Fehr 7.5 B
    19.Ryan Getzlaf 8.0 B
    20.Brent Burns 7.5 B
    21.Mark Stuart 8.0 A
    22.Marc-Antoine Pouliot 7.5 B
    23.Ryan Kesler 7.0 A
    24.Mike Richards 8.0 B
    25.Anthony Stewart 8.0 B
    26.Bryan Boyle 8.0 C
    27.Jeff Tambellini 7.5 B
    28.Corey Perry 7.5 B
    29.Patrick Eaves 7.0 A
    30.Shawn Belle 7.0 B
     
  2. NYRangers

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    I think the 2003 draft will be one of the best ever.
     
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    2005 has got the higher end talent pherhaps with Crosby, Brule and Johnson but 2003 has got better depth with guys like Getzlaf and Stewart later in #1 round.
     
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    It's been a concensus view that 2005 will be better at the top but more and more
    this draft is looking very deep.
     
  5. Vlad The Impaler

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    Pineault was drafted in 2004.

    You can however replace him with Bergeron.

    I think 2005 overall will not be as strong as 2003, for what it's worth.
     
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    I don't think Brule is such a higher end talent compared to the top guys of 2003. Some of them have flat out amazing upside and they are numerous.

    Never seen Jack Johnson but I remain highly skeptical on the hype surrounding him. There are about five posters who have seen him and 5000 others who praise him blind.

    Does he have really an upside that is more significant than the top guys in 2003? I can't wait to see for myself.
     
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    I just realized....Parise's ranking is far too high. 8.5 A?
     
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    Dion Phaneuf 9.0 A ?? So he's a lock to be a franchise defenseman, No bumps in the road for him ? Hmm.

    Jack Johnson, He dominated a game vs Harvard this year. He's the real deal Vlad.

    I have to agree with Vlad though that Brule doesn't walk the plank over guys like Zherdev, Staal, Horton, Michalek, Parise, Vanek ect. The 2003 draft was one of the best in a loooooong time and I dont see 2005 topping it in terms of depth, but it's one hell of a draft still.

    In fact 2005 reminds me so much of 2001 that it's scary.
     
  9. Jason MacIsaac

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    Not to that extent.....2005 had a really good top 7 at the time of the draft....after that everything was unknown. I feel this years draft has a really good first round. 2003 had 3 rounds of first round talent.
     
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    So is Carter.
    9 B??? :shakehead
     
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    I wouldn't say 3 rounds but two full rounds I would agree with. Hell Sharks got Joe Pavelski in the 7th round, Patrick Ehelechner in the 5th! it was a crazy draft. Josh Hennessy would've been a 1st round pick in 2002 for example, mabey even last year. 2003 won't be topped by the 2005 draft.
     
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    Ok since no one got the point of the thread I'll say it again: take a player from the '05 draft and assign him a rating and then we'll compare the two drafts (it's a brutally inexact science but...well we have nothing better to do)
    I'll start
    Crosby 10B
     
  13. Flyers made out like Bandits hah. The "05 Draft" will be a good group of kids in the first round but I haven't heard anything beyond that, so I'm not too positive about how much depth there is.
     
  14. King'sPawn

    King'sPawn Enjoy the chaos

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    Sorry, but I think this thread will be going nowhere fast if you're going to insist that Crosby is pretty much a sure thing to make it into the hall of fame.
     
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    Alright then 9.5 B
     
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    I agree with this, if you see him play you will see why, I think if he recahes his potential he will be Mats Sundin clone.
     
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    Sure things don't get a B.
     
  18. Crosbyfan

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    Parise was not at the top end of the '03 draft.(1st round)
     
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    Not in order picked, but he's HF's 8th best draftee in the top-50 rankings.

    Oh, and he's tearing up the AHL atm.
     
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    hf has rated crosby as a probably 10a
     
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    King'sPawn Enjoy the chaos

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    I know, that's why I said "pretty much," but you're right, faulty wording on my part. 9.5B is fair enough. I just don't like having Hall of Fame written on someone who hasn't even played a game in the NHL yet. Didn't mean to come across as touchy :)
     
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    There is no such thing as an 8+A. 8A I would put on a guy like Zherdev maybe, because he's proved it at an NHL level. 8.5-9 B/C is a better rating for a lot of those As.
     
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    Will anyone play the game fairly goddamn it!!? So we got Crosby at 9.5B Alright now Brule....
     
  24. Crosbyfan

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    Fair enough. Where do they have Bergeron?
     
  25. thestonedkoala

    thestonedkoala Everyone! PANIC!

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    Most people think Burns didn't deserve to go that high but there are a lot of intangiables and things about Burns that made him go that high. He might be the 'weakest' one taken in the first round of 2003 and maybe considered a reach but I don't think it is when you realize how good Burns is...
     
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