comparing draft years 2003 vs. 2005 (1st round)

[Form and Substance]

We generally consider '03 to be a strong draft class, how would the '05 draft stack up? Let's look at each player individually by their HF ratings and by their draft positions and compare them to the top 30 players eligible for the '05 draft. Take into account that some elite talents (O'sullivan, Fritsche, Pineault) weren't selected in the first round, so we'll leave them off anyway. Assign the players from the '05 draft preliminary ratings.

Not in order:
Sidney Crosby
Gilbert Brule
Jack Johnson
Guillaume Latendresse
Carey Price
Nicklas Bergfors
Dan Bertram
Tuuka Rask
Alex Vincent
JP Levasseur
Chris Durand
Benoit Pouliot
Alex Bourret
Marek Zagrapan
Teemu Laakso
Jack Skille
Luc Bourdon
Risto Korhonen
Evan Brophey
Bobby Ryan
Devin Setoguchi
Brian Lee
JP Paquet
Ryan O'marra
Jakub Kindl
Patrick Davis
Matt Lashoff
Ryan Stoa
Andrew Cogliano
Marc Staal
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2003
1.Marc-André Fleury 9.0 B
2.Eric Staal 9.0 B
3.Nathan Horton 8.5 B
4.Nikholai Zherdev 9.0 A
5.Thomas Vanek 8.5 B
6.Milan Michalek 8.0 B
7.Ryan Suter 8.5 B
8.Braydon Coburn 8.0 B
9.Dion Phaneuf 9.0 A
10.Andrei Kotsitsyn 8.5 C
11.Jeff Carter 9.0 B
12.Hugh Jessiman 7.5 B
13.Dustin Brown 8.0 B
14.Brent Seabrooke 7.5 A
15.Robert Nilsson 8.0 C
16.Steve Bernier 7.5 B
17.Zach Parise 8.5 A
18.Eric Fehr 7.5 B
19.Ryan Getzlaf 8.0 B
20.Brent Burns 7.5 B
21.Mark Stuart 8.0 A
22.Marc-Antoine Pouliot 7.5 B
23.Ryan Kesler 7.0 A
24.Mike Richards 8.0 B
25.Anthony Stewart 8.0 B
26.Bryan Boyle 8.0 C
27.Jeff Tambellini 7.5 B
28.Corey Perry 7.5 B
29.Patrick Eaves 7.0 A
30.Shawn Belle 7.0 B

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[NYRangers]

I think the 2003 draft will be one of the best ever.

 

[J17 Vs Proclamation]

2005 has got the higher end talent pherhaps with Crosby, Brule and Johnson but 2003 has got better depth with guys like Getzlaf and Stewart later in #1 round.

 

[pei fan]

It's been a concensus view that 2005 will be better at the top but more and more
this draft is looking very deep.

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

Take into account that some elite talents (O'sullivan, Fritsche, Pineault) weren't selected in the first round, so we'll leave them off anyway.

Pineault was drafted in 2004.

You can however replace him with Bergeron.

I think 2005 overall will not be as strong as 2003, for what it's worth.

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

2005 has got the higher end talent pherhaps with Crosby, Brule and Johnson

I don't think Brule is such a higher end talent compared to the top guys of 2003. Some of them have flat out amazing upside and they are numerous.

Never seen Jack Johnson but I remain highly skeptical on the hype surrounding him. There are about five posters who have seen him and 5000 others who praise him blind.

Does he have really an upside that is more significant than the top guys in 2003? I can't wait to see for myself.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

I just realized....Parise's ranking is far too high. 8.5 A?

 

[X-SHARKIE]

Dion Phaneuf 9.0 A ?? So he's a lock to be a franchise defenseman, No bumps in the road for him ? Hmm.

Jack Johnson, He dominated a game vs Harvard this year. He's the real deal Vlad.

I have to agree with Vlad though that Brule doesn't walk the plank over guys like Zherdev, Staal, Horton, Michalek, Parise, Vanek ect. The 2003 draft was one of the best in a loooooong time and I dont see 2005 topping it in terms of depth, but it's one hell of a draft still.

In fact 2005 reminds me so much of 2001 that it's scary.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Dion Phaneuf 9.0 A ?? So he's a lock to be a franchise defenseman, No bumps in the road for him ? Hmm.

Jack Johnson, He dominated a game vs Harvard this year. He's the real deal Vlad.

I have to agree with Vlad though that Brule doesn't walk the plank over guys like Zherdev, Staal, Horton, Michalek, Parise, Vanek ect. The 2003 draft was one of the best in a loooooong time and I dont see 2005 topping it in terms of depth, but it's one hell of a draft still.

In fact 2005 reminds me so much of 2001 that it's scary.

Not to that extent.....2005 had a really good top 7 at the time of the draft....after that everything was unknown. I feel this years draft has a really good first round. 2003 had 3 rounds of first round talent.

 

[Jungle Boy]

I just realized....Parise's ranking is far too high. 8.5 A?

So is Carter.
9 B???

 

[X-SHARKIE]

Not to that extent.....2005 had a really good top 7 at the time of the draft....after that everything was unknown. I feel this years draft has a really good first round. 2003 had 3 rounds of first round talent.

I wouldn't say 3 rounds but two full rounds I would agree with. Hell Sharks got Joe Pavelski in the 7th round, Patrick Ehelechner in the 5th! it was a crazy draft. Josh Hennessy would've been a 1st round pick in 2002 for example, mabey even last year. 2003 won't be topped by the 2005 draft.

 

[Form and Substance]

Ok since no one got the point of the thread I'll say it again: take a player from the '05 draft and assign him a rating and then we'll compare the two drafts (it's a brutally inexact science but...well we have nothing better to do)
I'll start
Crosby 10B

 

[Roger's Pancreas*]

Flyers made out like Bandits hah. The "05 Draft" will be a good group of kids in the first round but I haven't heard anything beyond that, so I'm not too positive about how much depth there is.

 

[King'sPawn]

Ok since no one got the point of the thread I'll say it again: take a player from the '05 draft and assign him a rating and then we'll compare the two drafts (it's a brutally inexact science but...well we have nothing better to do)
I'll start
Crosby 10B

Sorry, but I think this thread will be going nowhere fast if you're going to insist that Crosby is pretty much a sure thing to make it into the hall of fame.

 

[Form and Substance]

Sorry, but I think this thread will be going nowhere fast if you're going to insist that Crosby is pretty much a sure thing to make it into the hall of fame.

Alright then 9.5 B

 

[BuppY]

So is Carter.
9 B???

I agree with this, if you see him play you will see why, I think if he recahes his potential he will be Mats Sundin clone.

 

[Vlad The Impaler]

Sorry, but I think this thread will be going nowhere fast if you're going to insist that Crosby is pretty much a sure thing to make it into the hall of fame.

Sure things don't get a B.

 

[Crosbyfan]

Dion Phaneuf 9.0 A ?? So he's a lock to be a franchise defenseman, No bumps in the road for him ? Hmm.

Jack Johnson, He dominated a game vs Harvard this year. He's the real deal Vlad.

I have to agree with Vlad though that Brule doesn't walk the plank over guys like Zherdev, Staal, Horton, Michalek, Parise, Vanek ect. The 2003 draft was one of the best in a loooooong time and I dont see 2005 topping it in terms of depth, but it's one hell of a draft still.

In fact 2005 reminds me so much of 2001 that it's scary.

Parise was not at the top end of the '03 draft.(1st round)

 

[DownFromNJ]

Parise was not at the top end of the '03 draft.(1st round)

Not in order picked, but he's HF's 8th best draftee in the top-50 rankings.

Oh, and he's tearing up the AHL atm.

 

[THE NEXT ONE #87]

hf has rated crosby as a probably 10a

 

[King'sPawn]

Sure things don't get a B.

I know, that's why I said "pretty much," but you're right, faulty wording on my part. 9.5B is fair enough. I just don't like having Hall of Fame written on someone who hasn't even played a game in the NHL yet. Didn't mean to come across as touchy

 

[DownFromNJ]

There is no such thing as an 8+A. 8A I would put on a guy like Zherdev maybe, because he's proved it at an NHL level. 8.5-9 B/C is a better rating for a lot of those As.

 

[Form and Substance]

Will anyone play the game fairly goddamn it!!? So we got Crosby at 9.5B Alright now Brule....

 

[Crosbyfan]

Not in order picked, but he's HF's 8th best draftee in the top-50 rankings.

Oh, and he's tearing up the AHL atm.

Fair enough. Where do they have Bergeron?

 

[thestonedkoala]

Most people think Burns didn't deserve to go that high but there are a lot of intangiables and things about Burns that made him go that high. He might be the 'weakest' one taken in the first round of 2003 and maybe considered a reach but I don't think it is when you realize how good Burns is...