Colorado + Vancouver 2004 vs Colorado + Vancouver 2024
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GlitchMarner
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Kariya, Selanne and Bertuzzi were all disappointing in 2004.
If I could have late 90s/early 00s Selanne and Kariya and 2002-2003 Bert, I'd go with the older roster.
But if it has to be the 2004 versions of those players, I'll take the 2024 team.
If I could have late 90s/early 00s Selanne and Kariya and 2002-2003 Bert, I'd go with the older roster.
But if it has to be the 2004 versions of those players, I'll take the 2024 team.
Hey! Byram belongs to the Sabres!!
I don’t really get the lineups here. Johansen and Byram aren’t on Colorado anymore. Selanne and Kariya sucked in 2004. Skouka and Bergevin were pretty far down the depth charts of both teams. Kesler wasn’t a full time NHLer, etc.
If it’s just names at their best, then 2004, but there were a lot of underperformers on those teams. I think a realistic lineup of today’s team would be better. In particular, having either Makar or Hughes on the ice most of the game (I wouldn’t pair them and instead leave Toews-Makar and Hughes-Hronek together) and Demko over Aebischer are big plusses to me
If it’s just names at their best, then 2004, but there were a lot of underperformers on those teams. I think a realistic lineup of today’s team would be better. In particular, having either Makar or Hughes on the ice most of the game (I wouldn’t pair them and instead leave Toews-Makar and Hughes-Hronek together) and Demko over Aebischer are big plusses to me
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a mangy Meowth
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2024 group AINEC. Havent even heard of some of those guys from 2004
You do realize that 20 years from now people would be saying the same thing about the 2024 group? Not all players would all time greats, even between two very good rosters.
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Drew Doubty
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Drouin over Lehkonen?
Blueger over Mittelstadt? or Colton?
Probably more like:
Lehkonen- MacKinnon - Rantanen
Boeser - Miller - Pettersson
Nichushkin - Lindholm - Mittelstadt
Joshua - Colton - Garland
Toews - Makar
Hughes - Hronek
Soucy - Manson
Demko
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hughes and Makar would be disgusting they win just off of that alone.
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Ben White
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Wow this is a surprising result. Thought it would be closed down rather soon due to lopsided in favor of the oldies. 2004 was actually a down year for me in following hockey so maybe my memory of those players are more affected with what they were 2000-2003 or so. But man, just looking at the names this poll result is confusing to say the least.
Just looking at the top 6 and top 4 (in general as players):
Naslund > Pettersson
Forsberg > MacKinnon
Hejduk < Rantanen
Kariya > Boeser
Sakic > Miller
Selanne > Drouin
Ohlund < Hughes
Blake ~< Makar
Foote ~< Toews
Jovanovski > Hronek
And then the forward depth is a lot better for 2004 as well.
Just looking at the top 6 and top 4 (in general as players):
Naslund > Pettersson
Forsberg > MacKinnon
Hejduk < Rantanen
Kariya > Boeser
Sakic > Miller
Selanne > Drouin
Ohlund < Hughes
Blake ~< Makar
Foote ~< Toews
Jovanovski > Hronek
And then the forward depth is a lot better for 2004 as well.
Ben White
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To those who will question the bolded: Naslund was top 4 in scoring three years in a row. He was 2, 2, 4 between 2002-2004 and led the nhl in scoring mid season in 2004 when a concussion ended his career as we know it. He also led the league for big chunks of the 2002 and 2003 seasons and was 1 game away from claiming the Art Ross in 2003, he did get the Ted Lindsay however. A lot of people will likely follow the center > winger reflex here but in reality Pettersson has a long way to go before sniffing Naslund’s peak and if this poll is interpreted as “2004 before Naslund’s concussion” this is a nobrainer.
Naslund was awesome, absolute superstar. Before EP, before the Sedins…it was Naslund who started the lineage of the modern Canucks Swedish superstar forward. He was one of those guys who was right on the cusp of being an award winner but never could quite breakthrough so that hurts his historical legacy but for many years I’d argue he was a top 5 forward in the entire league.
This wasn’t the best version of Kariya or Selanne though.
I think it depends on which era has “home ice” also. That 2004 team is much tougher physically, especially on the back end…while the 2024 with Makar and Hughes as the engines would skate circles around the 2004 team in the neutral zone and offensive zone. So are we inserting the 2024 team into the 2004 NHL era or vice versa?
This wasn’t the best version of Kariya or Selanne though.
I think it depends on which era has “home ice” also. That 2004 team is much tougher physically, especially on the back end…while the 2024 with Makar and Hughes as the engines would skate circles around the 2004 team in the neutral zone and offensive zone. So are we inserting the 2024 team into the 2004 NHL era or vice versa?
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Ben White
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That’s obviously a very legit question, I’d figure the home ice advantage would be expanded to era advantage as well, question is what metric would determine home ice advantage… Maybe winning by 2 games would be mandatory like in the 5th set of grand slam tennis finals? One team would have to “break” the other team’s era advantage
Lineups would probably be more like
2004
Naslund - Forsberg - Bertuzzi
Tanguay - Sakic - Hejduk
Sedin - Sedin - Cooke
Konowalchuk - Morrison - Linden
Ohlund - Blake
Jovanovski - Foote
Skrastins - Sopel
Aebischer
Cloutier
2024
Lehkonen - MacKinnon - Rantanen
Pettersson - Miller - Boeser
Hoglander - Mittlestadt - Nichushkin
Joshua - Lindholm - Garland
Toews - Makar
Hughes - Hronek
Soucy - Manson
Demko
Georgiev
I don’t think Kariya or Selanne would make the team. Kariya was ok. Selanne was terrible. Sedins were producing well while driving possession for their minimal ice time. Svatos could maybe make the team as he did well in his late season addition. I think the forwards are close. 2004 maybe a slight edge for more defensive responsibility. 2024 has more options to play with (Drouin, Colton, Suter, Blueger).
Again, I think the biggest edge is Makar and Hughes and Demko in goal. Blake, Ohlund, Foote and Jovo are good, but none of them control the game like those two. And while Aebischer had great numbers that year, I don’t think he was ever considered as good as Demko is.
2004
Naslund - Forsberg - Bertuzzi
Tanguay - Sakic - Hejduk
Sedin - Sedin - Cooke
Konowalchuk - Morrison - Linden
Ohlund - Blake
Jovanovski - Foote
Skrastins - Sopel
Aebischer
Cloutier
2024
Lehkonen - MacKinnon - Rantanen
Pettersson - Miller - Boeser
Hoglander - Mittlestadt - Nichushkin
Joshua - Lindholm - Garland
Toews - Makar
Hughes - Hronek
Soucy - Manson
Demko
Georgiev
I don’t think Kariya or Selanne would make the team. Kariya was ok. Selanne was terrible. Sedins were producing well while driving possession for their minimal ice time. Svatos could maybe make the team as he did well in his late season addition. I think the forwards are close. 2004 maybe a slight edge for more defensive responsibility. 2024 has more options to play with (Drouin, Colton, Suter, Blueger).
Again, I think the biggest edge is Makar and Hughes and Demko in goal. Blake, Ohlund, Foote and Jovo are good, but none of them control the game like those two. And while Aebischer had great numbers that year, I don’t think he was ever considered as good as Demko is.
SuperScript29
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Which era of hockey are we playing here? Either way, I'm probably taking the 2004 guys, because I at least know that the skilled guys back in those days can probably hang with how open the game is today, meanwhile we don't know how today's players can handle the dead puck era style of hockey.
How old are you? 12?
2024 group AINEC. Havent even heard of some of those guys from 2004
How old are you? 12?
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HFpapi
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If we are assuming all players are at their absolute best I take 2004 easily.
If we are going based on their 2004 level then it's probably 2024 since, as pointed out many times, Kariya & Selanne weren't good and Bertuzzi was on the downswing.
The bottom 6 of 2024 looks pretty rough here though.
If we are going based on their 2004 level then it's probably 2024 since, as pointed out many times, Kariya & Selanne weren't good and Bertuzzi was on the downswing.
The bottom 6 of 2024 looks pretty rough here though.
SuperScript29
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I think you need to judge the numbers by that era too. Guys like Bertuzzi, Selanne, and Kariya might have not put up a lot of points that year, but you're talking about a time where top-liners were scoring 60-70 points a year with the exception of those who were having career seasons. This is a year where 94 points won the Art Ross and 41 goals won the Maurice Richard.
HFpapi
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No amount of era adjustment can atone for Karya's 36 points in 51 gamaes and neither passed the eye test either when on the ice. That said, both Kariya and Selanne rebounded with 85+ point seasons later on in their careers so I think it's fair to say we could roll the dice on them not being as bad if the season were replayed.
SuperScript29
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Cherry picking years is not a good comparison, probably a better idea to give a range of years. Like I said, I know the skilled guys of those years can hang in today's game, but can the skilled guys from today's game deal with all the hits, clutching, and grabbing? Hard to say.
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