Cole's Live Game Experience Takeaway

ColePens

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One thing I didn't mention only because it's been about 4-5 games of seeing it...

If the Pens get a 3 on 2 I watch them go straight line across the ice on 3 on 2s. At first I thought it was just a dumb play by the forward line. Then i started seeing a consistent decision to do this. It makes no ****ing sense. The center drive is seriously on the same level as the puck possessor and the weak side guy makes himself useless unless we do a shot off pads. But we don't. :laugh: It has to be the WORST 3 on 2 set play i've ever seen. Unless I'm completely missing a component of what should happen and what the players aren't doing.
 

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It doesn't matter if Johnston recognizes the issues with the team. The players don't have confidence in Johnstons words and he doesn't have the charisma to make the players play hard for him. Johnston has never played an NHL game in his life. There's nothing for the players to trust.


Hate Bylsma all you want, but he extruded confidence and rubbed it off on his players. There were no passengers on his team, everyone worked hard for his system whether it was working or not.
 

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Fantastic write up, Cole. And, thank you for taking the time to do this, especially since I missed the last debacle. :laugh:

Just wanted to add three things:

1. If memory serves, you and I were discussing about 10 weeks ago how this team needed a 'wake the **** up' trade that would strike at the heart of the extended family. We discussed Kunitz and Sutter specifically. Like Bylsma, we were ahead of the curve on this one. ;)

2. Here's my problem with Adams: In the scheme of things, he's a career curtain jerker who means nothing. You had that **** with Malkin for which he was completely unapologetic. On some teams-- tight teams-- you can consider that water under the bridge. On other teams-- like the Pens-- you really can't, because the message sent by sweeping it under the rug is to reinforce this socialistic understanding of player worth. Call it something else if you will. The 'we are family' thing. Whatever. Adams, Kunitz, Sutter . . . really everyone outside of a couple of young players who have been easy targets for coaches feel 100% secure in their position. The complacency is everywhere, and on this team it's been poisonous. IMO, it's a good part of where the lack of heart comes from. They're just one big happy family, and, if it doesn't work out, the family remains in tact (yeah, JR traded Neal, but he never really was a member of the family). Even if Adams isn't the biggest poison and even if he's not trying to do it, how he plays on the ice, how he conducts himself off the ice, and how he is completely unaccountable for both undermines the team. He's like a smaller tumor. Not the biggest threat, but you still have to eradicate the ****** in order to cure the patient.

3. A pair of comments on Malkin that ties into what you observed:

-- You really need to find a copy of Dave King's book. King was a believer in the idea that Malkin's A game flowed from how he played defense and involving him in that part of the game. When he focused there, then the offense flows from that commitment to defense. When he's not, he cheats, like you'd always see with Bylsma (who encouraged it) and even with Johnston (who I think sees him as pretty one dimensional).

-- I remember a specific passage, where King was marveling about one of Malkin's hot streaks, and wrote something like 'he's getting a little cocky but he's so good and doing such amazing things, still we're going to have to reel him in'.

What happens with Malkin is that he can do such amazing stuff out there that he thinks he should be able to do it anytime, against anyone, and no matter how he's handicapped by his own coaches.

Arcobello on his wing, playing on Sutter's wing, wasted on the PP, playing anyone . . . if it suddenly isn't working, then in his mind-- and someone called this his MO-- he needs to try even harder, which only reinforces the problem.

It's kind of a fine line for him, which IMO is why a guy like King wanted the offense to flow from a commitment to defense and why he'd talk about 'reeling Malkin in' during a hot streak. It's something that needs to be managed proactively . . . King knew how to do it. Maurice did it well during the last lockout. And, for all of his faults, I think this is one thing Therrien got right (people talk about the 'top in the league' inspirational speech and people assume it was about scoring . . . I think it was about more than just scoring).

Kind of sad . . . Pierre McGuire once described Malkin's game-- the Malkin coached by Dave King-- as being like Ron Francis on steroids. It would help a lot if Mike Johnston took an approach to managing Malkin that is more like this than Bylsma 'get me a goal Geno' like. Like you said . . . I don't want Malkin going into every shift saying 'I've got to score a goal here and be the hero'. I want him playing his game, dominating on his side of center ice, and then letting the offense take care of itself.
 

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I wanted to bring this up because the live experience is PERFECT to see how the passes are being set up. The forwards have NO clue where to go on the breakout. Sometimes we dump. Sometimes we carry. Sometimes we chip. They have no clue when to do each one. That's why it looks so out of sync. It stems from chemistry and the fact that the players are just not buying into MJ's system at all. What is discussed and the product are 2 different things.

If anyone is going to a game, take your eyes off the puck and watch how the movement of forwards goes up the ice. You never see the same thing. They just have no clue what to do on a consistent basis.

Great write-up in general but I really liked areas where you seemed to hone in on things not particularly discussed in large here.

Watching the forwards arrive at the offensive blue line is different kind of awful every time. Not knowing what to do causes turnovers and causes split-seconds to be lost for an effective forecheck to even have a shot.

And now let's take an individual view at the players. Here are four players contributing to this hot mess we have on our hands:

1) Sidney Crosby: Watching him live was deflating. His decision making is worse than it looks on television. He takes big loops away from the puck instead of stopping/starting. He doesn't look engaged at all. On the PK he tried to high stick the puck out of the air instead of just batting it with his hand. His passes are garbage and seriously it's so disappointing to watch him play. In fact, a lot of the bad passes you see on tv are worse live. There isn't a Penguin player anywhere in the area. Sid is just guessing because he doesn't want to take the puck to a corner (or to the net) and go to work. It's very sad.

4) Evgeni Malkin: Weirdly the guy is buying into the system more than most, but he also looks like he's trying to push too hard to be the savior. Every shift he's looking to be the hero instead of just playing the right way. That's why Geno's line either looks the best or the worst shift-to-shift. You can feel his energy wanting to take over the game but he's pushing entirely too hard. He's desperately trying to score a goal each shift and that just isn't the way to play the game. You just have to focus on each shift doing what you CAN do. You aren't going to score a goal every shift. It just isn't going to happen. He's really forcing the play . On television I thought he was being lazy like the 3 above him, but that's actually not the case. Very shocking.

I think your analysis on Malkin and Sid is spot on. I think it plays a large role in how the players are analyzed or criticized in our GDT and +/- threads. How often do you hear posters getting so worked up that people are picking on Sid when Malkin is having a poor stretch too? I think so much of the criticism of Sid stems from him giving off the impression that he gives a very few ****s (outside of fighting Dubinsky), while Geno's very much resembles a guy trying to do too much. They might be nearly equal in terms of effectiveness but one is certainly more conducive of empathy.
 

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Sidney Crosby: Watching him live was deflating. His decision making is worse than it looks on television. He takes big loops away from the puck instead of stopping/starting. He doesn't look engaged at all.

I made this observation about him way early on in the season, even before his drastic fall off in production in a gameday thread, it sticks out readily in my memory because of the amount of backlash the comment got from this board as if it wasn't absolutely true. Now that he isn't putting up points people take off the blinders regarding it, it's been there far longer than just this recent stretch.

And it's not a function of the breakout that johnston preaches as someone postulated above, its on failed zone entries or interceptions through the neutral-zone when either his pass or a dump in from a winger is intercepted and sent back in transition the other way. Instead of reversing his momentum quickly to get back in the play or tie up a forechecker, he'll simply continue his momentum into a loop the size of a faceoff circle and make his way back without any visible hustle to about the middle of the defensive zone and look to either challenge someone along the boards (where to his credit he'll often win and start a new breakout) or stay in the middle area and look to intercept any through the box passes. He never stops/starts when away from the puck, always looping with a very observable lack of effort look to it, whether or not that's his current mindset, it very much comes across that way.

And its not a new thing regarding his lack of effort on the backcheck, he's no toews and never has been in this regard. Dubinsky's winning goal with crosby skating by with his stick parallel to his waist coasting behind him as he watches him score looked bad, and there's no reason to defend it because someone else made the turnover, he's the captain, show some leadership. Maybe he stops the goal with a little bit of visible effort, maybe he doesn't, but he didn't even try.

Watching rookie crosby his motor was running at 110% at all times, always stop/start, always a hound to the puck. Current crosby, whether it be from maturation with age, injury, what have you is a shell of rookie crosby regarding the eye test of him away from the puck, he has a very obvious and very visible nonchalant, lack of caring air about him when he's away from the play.

If this is all from an injury then it must be pretty serious.
 

ColePens

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It's decision making though, I believe. He just chooses to not back check. It's in his mindset that he is just going to make these bad decisions and now they have culminated into this big issue.

And if people think it's unfair to call out Sid for one bad season, people have been letting this go for about 2 seasons ++. His decision making has been bad for some time. Forcing guys like Dupes/Kunitz on his line has been discussed for years. Especially when Iggy was here. So the process is nothing new.
 

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