Rumor: Clarkson, 1st going to Vegas?
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MoeBartoli
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hrr hrr.
I'm firming convinced there are only a small handful of people around here that can be honest with their assessment of players. It sure makes it easier to dump him if you convince yourself that he's "just" a 4th line center doesn't it?
We know I'm not a fan of Savard, but at least I'm honest enough to say he's a 3/4 in this league. I don't think Bob is consistent enough to be worth 7+ million, but I say that when he's on his game he's top 5 in the league.
Yes, he could very well be the odd man out. However he isn't just a 4th line center.
Viqsi
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That's... actually the first time I can recall your ever actually saying either of those things.
Not that I doubt you or anything; just that I don't think said opinions are widely advertised.
That's... actually the first time I can recall your ever actually saying either of those things.
Not that I doubt you or anything; just that I don't think said opinions are widely advertised.
I have to defend myself about every 10th or so time I post something critical of either.
Cyclones Rock
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You're right. Making the playoffs was bad. Those 10th overall picks are always solid gold. It's always about draft position, dontchaknow.
Good grief
I wasn't referring to the draft position. I was referring to giving the FO a possible misrepresentation of how good the team really is. In reality we are more likely a bubble team.
Viqsi
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I presume they're a little more on the ball than that.
Frankly, I think we stood a decent chance of making the playoffs with league-average goaltending. We just sure as hell wouldn't have been #4 in the NHL; we'd have been neck and neck with Toronto.
Cyclones Rock
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Toot your own horn much? Rhetorical question.No. You're right. He's also a dime-a-dozen penalty killer as well as a 4rth line center (on anything but a really, really bad team) who went 45 games without a goal. His 6 goals were completely vital to the regular season success of the CBJ!!! Oh, I forgot. He really steps it up in playoff elimination games. LOL. Make that ROTFLMAO.
Anyone who real thinks that a player like Karlsson moves the meter for a hockey team in a substantial way doesn't get NHL hockey personnel options. Wild Beel-type players are available all the time during the off season and usually make the waiver wires weekly during the season. As an added bonus, most of them will even throw a check.
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Crede777
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Mr. rare Honest assessment
No. You're right. He's also a dime-a-dozen penalty killer as well as a 4rth line center (on anything but a really, really bad team) who went 45 games without a goal. His 6 goals were completely vital to the regular season success of the CBJ!!! Oh, I forgot. He really steps it up in playoff elimination games. LOL. Make that ROTFLMAO.
Anyone who real thinks that a player like Karlsson moves the meter for a hockey team in a substantial way doesn't get NHL hockey personnel options. Wild Beel-type players are available all the time during the off season and usually make the waiver wires weekly during the season. As an added bonus, most of them will even throw a check.
Apparently this applies to Tortorella who, in a post-game presser, said that Karlsson (along with Wennberg) has a few more levels to reach in his development and will eventually be a high-end player.
Cyclones Rock
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I'd attribute this to post game hyperbole.
So do you think Wild Beel is going to be a top 6 forward?
MoeBartoli
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Must have been one of those pressers after players asked Torts to not be so hard on them.
Are they? They tend not to do much when the team performs below expectations. They didn't do anything after last season and it looks like they are going to accept the disappearance of most of the forwards in the second half of the season and into the playoffs. They seem determined to stick with this group of players and, frankly, I just don't see why.
I'm not quite on the same page as you are with our skaters. Our team defense is pretty poor (note the word team, not position) when our forecheck is average (meaning when we actually have to play defense). If Bob hadn't been at elite level post all-star, just average as you stated, we probably would have been under 100 points.
Crede777
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Must have been one of those pressers after players asked Torts to not be so hard on them.
Yeah I don't want to sound like I think Torts is a completely unbiased judge of talent. I can't imagine what he'd say about Matty Calvert and think it'd be even higher praise than Karlsson.
My anticipation of Wild Bill is this:
Low chance he becomes a top-6 caliber player on a good team.
Decent chance he becomes a 2nd/3rd line tweener on a decent team.
Very safe bet to believe he'll be a 3rd/4th line player on any NHL team. I think he's there already.
SuperGenius
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Becoming a higher level player doesn't necessarily mean moving from 4C to 1/2C. Comments like those from Torts about Karlsson are likely more about him having the capacity to be a top 3/4C. They're different skillsets, right? You don't develop from a 4 to a 1 in any natural progression because they're completely different roles with different responsibilities. All 3/4C in the league are not equal and the best ones aren't a dime a dozen, nor are they failed 1/2C's. A guy with the skillset to be a great 3/4C is desired in this league and although players can sometimes fit into that role, the ones that are really great are the ones born for it. Wild Lars could be one of those guys, as Torts suggests. I don't expect Torts thinks Karlsson can someday be the next Crosby or Thornton.
I think people tend to forget these kinds of progressions and always focus on bottom -> top and top -> bottom progressions as if it were always something linear.
I think people tend to forget these kinds of progressions and always focus on bottom -> top and top -> bottom progressions as if it were always something linear.
But Ryan Murray is not progressing at all !!!!
I did not really mean that. But i thought I would throw it in just to shake up the conversation a little.
I did not really mean that. But i thought I would throw it in just to shake up the conversation a little.
Viqsi
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I am reminded of three of my favorite Blue Jackets 1) Manny Malhotra 2) Mark Letestu and 3) Derrick Mckenzie. Why these three guys? Because they hustled their ***** off every shift. Skated fast, back checked, forechecked, mucked it up and all were good at faceoffs. Wild Bill is of their ilk - He is a 4th line centre, possibly a 3rd line centre but the guy is very good - show the man some love. if by chance he is gone, I will continue to root for him. Hard working guy.. hopefully you are dealt from LVK to a contender like Letestu was. Give em hell Bill!!
Fro
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i think Karlsson was our best C in the playoffs...maybe not saying much...but I'd hate to lose him...he has more upside left IMO
So the question is, what move was worse?
Columbus protecting Anderson, Wennberg, etc. over Karlsson?
Or
Anaheim trading Karlsson for a washed up Wisniewski?
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