Chris Kreider vs Brendan Gallagher

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Who is the better player?

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[the paisanos guy]

Pretty equal I'd say

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

both have a great niche playstyle in the NHL, Kreider is bigger but Gallagher has more heart and feistiness


would take both on my team

 

[Captain97]

Pretty much equal so I'm a Homer vote Gally.

 

[tony d]

Chris Kreider.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Went with Gallagher

 

[EdJovanovski]

Kreider

 

[CanadienShark]

I'm thoroughly biased here. Big time. I got free tickets to the Habs-Leafs via Gallagher (distant-ish connection) and have loved him for years. My first jersey was a Gally one. Kreider... I've hated for years.

All that said, it's a fair poll. I'd take Gally, trying to set bias aside, but the gap is small.

 

[Machinehead]

Over the last 4 years Kreider has

-More goals
-More assists
-More points
-More even strength goals
-More even strength assists
-More even strength points
-More goals per minute
-More assists per minute
-More points per minute
-Better corsi
-Better goal differential
-Better expected goal differential

That's not to say Gallagher is way behind Kreider as he's also an excellent player, but he has nothing to stand on here.

 

[Deficient Mode]

Over the last 4 years Kreider has

-More goals
-More assists
-More points
-More even strength goals
-More even strength assists
-More even strength points
-More goals per minute
-More assists per minute
-More points per minute
-Better corsi
-Better goal differential
-Better expected goal differential

That's not to say Gallagher is way behind Kreider as he's also an excellent player, but he has nothing to stand on here.

Stretching the facts a bit there. Your per minute stats are only true if you lump PP time together with ES. Kreider only has better on-ice numbers relative to the much worse standard of the rest of his team and even then only just. Gallagher has marginally better 5 on 5 scoring rate and much worse PP scoring if you really want to include that in your evaluation.

They're pretty even.

 

[dukeofjive]

Homer vote for Gallagher.

 

[Machinehead]

Stretching the facts a bit there. Your per minute stats are only true if you lump PP time together with ES. Kreider only has better on-ice numbers relative to the much worse standard of the rest of his team and even then only just. Gallagher has marginally better 5 on 5 scoring rate and much worse PP scoring if you really want to include that in your evaluation.

They're pretty even.

Kreider has him beat in A/60 and P/60.

Gallagher's G/60 is 1.00 and Kreider's is 0.99.

If your case for Gallagher is that his even strength scoring efficiency is better by one one-hundredth of a goal, then by all means, take Gallagher.

I agree that they're pretty even, but at the same time, there's no argument for Gallagher. It's like choosing between $99 and $100.

 

[Deficient Mode]

Kreider has him beat in A/60 and P/60.

Gallagher's G/60 is 1.00 and Kreider's is 0.99.

If your case for Gallagher is that his even strength scoring efficiency is better by one one-hundredth of a goal, then by all means, take Gallagher.

I agree that they're pretty even, but at the same time, there's no argument for Gallagher. It's like choosing between $99 and $100.

And Gallagher has Kreider beaten in primary points rate over your chose 4 year sample by 2.6%. That grows to 4.7% over 3 years; 17.5% over 2 years, or 14% this year alone. I don't understand the point of giving equal weight to what happened 3+ years ago and to what's happening now. Gallagher also has more total primary points at 5 on 5 over a one, two, or three year sample if you prefer to denigrate efficiency. And Gallagher looks like the better Corsi/expected goals play driver by most measures. There is plenty of argument for picking Gallagher.

 

[Machinehead]

And Gallagher has Kreider beaten in primary points rate over your chose 4 year sample by 2.6%. That grows to 4.7% over 3 years; 17.5% over 2 years, or 14% this year alone. I don't understand the point of giving equal weight to what happened 3+ years ago and to what's happening now. Gallagher also has more total primary points at 5 on 5 over a one, two, or three year sample if you prefer to denigrate efficiency. And Gallagher looks like the better Corsi/expected goals play driver by most measures. There is plenty of argument for picking Gallagher.

 

[the paisanos guy]

Kreider has him beat in A/60 and P/60.

Gallagher's G/60 is 1.00 and Kreider's is 0.99.

If your case for Gallagher is that his even strength scoring efficiency is better by one one-hundredth of a goal, then by all means, take Gallagher.

I agree that they're pretty even, but at the same time, there's no argument for Gallagher. It's like choosing between $99 and $100.

At that point I take the player with the better smile.

 

[Machinehead]

At that point I take the player with the better smile.

 

[Regal]

He should certainly be considered a better corsi player. Last two years, Gallagher's CF% is much better and relCF% only slightly worse. It's far more impressive to stand out among a good corsi team than a poor one. Kreider does generate more high danger chances though, so their xGF% is basically equal (slight edge Gallagher), but a massive relative edge for Kreider

 

[Machinehead]

He should certainly be considered a better corsi player. Last two years, Gallagher's CF% is much better and relCF% only slightly worse. It's far more impressive to stand out among a good corsi team than a poor one. Kreider does generate more high danger chances though, so their xGF% is basically equal (slight edge Gallagher), but a massive relative edge for Kreider

If his rel corsi is slightly worse, then he's a slightly worse play-driver.

Making a bad team good is more impressive than making a good team better.

 

[Regal]

If his rel corsi is slightly worse, then he's a slightly worse play-driver.

Making a bad team good is more impressive than making a good team better.

I massively disagree. You're looking at diminishing returns when you're getting as high as Gallagher's numbers, whereas most good possession drivers can push 50% on bad teams. Relative numbers are important but also problematic because it's highly influenced by how bad the players you don't play with are, and thus those that have no affect on you. When a player has a massive gap in CF%, and is only slightly lower in relative CF%, I don't see how he isn't the better possession driver.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

I massively disagree. You're looking at diminishing returns when you're getting as high as Gallagher's numbers, whereas most good possession drivers can push 50% on bad teams. Relative numbers are important but also problematic because it's highly influenced by how bad the players you don't play with are, and thus those that have no affect on you. When a player has a massive gap in CF%, and is only slightly lower in relative CF%, I don't see how he isn't the better possession driver.

machinehead uses rel stats to pump up Rangers players

 

[Regal]

machinehead uses rel stats to pump up Rangers players

Does he like any Rangers players anymore other than Kreider, Zibby and Hank?

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Does he like any Rangers players anymore other than Kreider, Zibby and Hank?

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