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    I've started a CHL Rankings portion on my blog.

    http://evansrankings.blogspot.com/2013/09/chl-rankings-93013.html

    Rankings will be updated every Monday. I also post on nights after games, with updated scores and standings.

    Obviously it's very early in the season but as the season goes on and more games are played then the numbers will be more concrete.

    I also cover the NHL as well as Major League Soccer, the National Football League, NCAA Football and the CFL.
     
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    Here is my latest CHL Top 10

    Rank Club (League, Record [W-L-OTL-SOL], Evans Rankings #)
    #1 Blainville-Boisbriand (QMJHL, 8-0-0-0, 2.556)
    #2 Kingston (OHL, 6-0-0-1, 2.508)
    #3 London (OHL, 5-1-0-0, 2.470)
    #4 Kelowna (WHL, 5-0-0-1, 2.124)
    #5 Guelph (OHL, 4-2-0-0, 2.024)
    #6 Charlottetown (QMJHL, 7-1-0-1, 1.768)
    #7 Sault Ste. Marie (OHL, 4-1-0-1, 1.484)
    #8 Spokane (WHL, 5-1-0-0, 1.417)
    #9 Swift Current (WHL, 5-1-0-1, 1.381)
    #10 Prince Albert (WHL, 5-2-0-0, 1.196)

    The biggest positive mover was Swift Current moving from #27 to #9 in this week's rankings, while the biggest negative mover was Chicoutimi moving from #20 to #48
     
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    The Canadian Hockey League released their latest Top 10 today, let's see how it compares to the Evans Rankings Top 10 as of right now.

    CHL Top 10:
    1 Blainville-Boisbriand Armada (8-0-0-0)
    2 London Knights (5-1-0-0)
    3 Spokane Chiefs (6-1-0-0)
    4 Kingston Frontenacs (6-0-0-1)
    5 Charlottetown Islanders (7-1-0-1)
    6 Kelowna Rockets (5-1-0-1)
    7 Prince Albert Raiders (6-2-0-0)
    8 Guelph Storm (4-2-0-0)
    9 Rimouski Oceanic (6-3-0-0)
    10 Swift Current Broncos (5-1-0-1)

    Evans Rankings Top 10: (As of 2:46 pm Pacific Time on 10/9/13)
    1 Kingston Frontenacs (OHL, 6-0-0-1, 2.579)
    2 Blainville-Boisbriand Armada (QMJHL, 8-0-0-0, 2.556)
    3 London Knights (OHL, 5-1-0-0, 2.470)
    4 Spokane Chiefs (WHL, 6-1-0-0, 2.365)
    5 Guelph Storm (OHL, 4-2-0-0, 2.024)
    6 Kelowna Rockets (WHL, 5-1-0-1, 1.952)
    7 Charlottetown Islanders (QMJHL, 7-1-0-1, 1.768)
    8 Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds (OHL, 4-1-0-1, 1.556)
    9 Swift Current Broncos (WHL, 5-1-0-1, 1.464)
    10 Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL, 5-1-1-0, 1.298)
     
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    Here is my latest Canadian Hockey League Top 10 (Link to the full rankings is right here: http://evansrankings.blogspot.com/2013/10/chl-rankings-101313.html)

    # Team (League, W-L-OTL-SOL, Evans Rankings #
    1 Blainville-Boisbriand Armada (QMJHL, 10-0-1-0, 3.361)
    2 London Knights (OHL, 7-1-0-0, 2.875)
    3 Guelph Storm (OHL, 6-3-0-0, 2.850)
    4 Kingston Frontenacs (OHL, 7-1-0-1, 2.835)
    5 Spokane Chiefs (WHL, 8-2-0-0, 2.600)
    6 Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds (OHL, 6-1-0-1, 2.110)
    7 Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL, 7-1-1-0, 1.922)
    8 Kelowna Rockets (WHL, 5-1-0-2, 1.911)
    9 Cape Breton Screaming Eagles (QMJHL, 6-3-0-2, 1.895)
    10 Oshawa Generals (OHL, 7-2-0-0, 1.851)
     
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    My probably correct ranking:
    1. Blainville-Boisbriand Armada QMJHL
    2. London Knights OHL
    3. Kingston Frontenacs OHL
    4. Medicine Hat Tigers WHL
    5. Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds OHL
    6. Seattle Thunderbirds WHL
    7. Spokane Chiefs WHL
    8. Oshawa Generals OHL
    9. Everett Silvertips WHL
    10. Charlottetown Islanders QMJHL
     
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    If that's how you want to rank them awesome, but using just the team's win % doesn't factor in the strength of their victories. Seattle has won 8 games, yes, they are tied for 1st in their conference yes but 3 of their wins are shootout wins. One extra missed shot and they are 5-5. One of the reasons why they are not in my Top 10. Their only quality win (Regulation or Overtime, shootouts are essentially counted as ties in my system) is over Medicine Hat. Their other 4 wins are over Vancouver (1 win in 10 games), Lethbridge (1 win in 9 games), Kootenay (5 wins in 10 games) and Tri-City (4 wins in 11 games). A combined 11 wins in 40 games or a combined win percentage of .275.

    Meanwhile the Spokane Chiefs, who have the same record, have 7 wins in Regulation or Overtime, 5 of those have a win percentage over .500 (Victoria x2 at .545, Everett at .667, Kelowna at .625 and Red Deer at .545). Their 2 wins over Tri-City (4 in 11) are their "worst".

    By ranking them your way, Seattle and Spokane are exactly the same, but ranking them my way, you can see that Spokane at the current time, with the games they have played are clearly the stronger team.
     
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    Well I've always thought the CHL ranking, or now your's, needed an alternative, not saying it's maybe better or worse, it's just correct in how the teams are actually doing, getting into not very concrete areas like the value of their wins, isn't solid to me, to me the WHL is the toughest league, once again not a solid area though, you can weight the rankings any way you want, but what good does it do. I maybe agree with what you said about Seattle a bit though, but they are ahead of Spokane in the standings, I think that Spokane have played better in their wins and are only 2nd because of the alphabet, still, as I said it's early, you can't really say that Seattle's wins are weaker because of that.

    Like are Blainville really that good, or are they just in a weak league, cause the next best team is a fair ways down from them, but again, it's a weighted theory, rankings all the teams in the CHL is never going to be perfect, no matter how it's done, cause they don't play each other until the Mem Cup. Don't see how you can have Guelph that high, I mean even if their wins have been decent, their losses might not be.

    Plus a win is a win these days, no matter how it's done. Seattle just beat Kelowna which is a quality win.
     
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    Very true, there is no perfect rating system. The only way to truly get a perfect ranking system you'd have to see interleague play and that is never going to happen. I have been trying to use the numbers to see if I could figure out some sort of formula to weight the league and currently I haven't found anything that I like. If I do find something like that, I'll probably wait until next season to include it unless it's just something that blows my mind.

    Re: Seattle, when it comes to the actual standings and getting points I agree that a win is a win no matter how you get it. In my system though I didn't want to have a shootout win positively or negatively affect anyone because it really is just a skills competition. I was talking to some friends earlier before that game about the Thunderbirds and we all agreed that even just a point from that game would be a huge score for them considering where they have been in the last few years, so to win even in the shootout was a big deal. I'm very happy to see them doing well, I'm not a fan per se but I always like to see the US Division do well in the West.

    As for Guelph, they are ranked very high because so far they have 4 quality wins (Erie @ .667, Oshawa @ .778, London @ .875 & Kingston @ .778), 2 so-so wins (Ottawa @ .500, Owen Sound @ .400), 2 losses to good teams (London @ .125 LP, Oshawa @ .222 LP) and 1 bad loss (Belleville @ .800 LP). And they will continue to be ranked high as long as they keep winning and there quality wins remain strong.

    One last thing, I welcome this kind of discussion. I hope my last reply didn't sound rude, that is not what I was going for.
     
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    I of course agree that when it comes to the true integrity of the game, that shootout wins are less valuable and it should maybe not be a part of it, however, like it or not, they are now a very important skill and part of the game, so I count those wins the same.

    How could it be rude, it didn't sound rude anyhow, not sure how you got that, if anything I was being rude by posting my own ranking in your thread, hope you don't mind.
     
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    My ranking, updated, WPCT:
    1. Blainville-Boisbriand Armada QMJHL .955
    2. Kingston Frontenacs OHL .833
    3. Medicine Hat Tigers WHL .833
    4. London Knights OHL .833
    5. Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds OHL .812
    6. Spokane Chiefs WHL .800
    7. Seattle Thunderbirds WHL .800
    8. Everett Silvertips WHL .778
    9. Charlottetown Islanders QMJHL .773
    10. Oshawa Generals OHL .750
     
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    Please keep them coming! This thread is a CHL Rankings one, not just a rankings page for my stuff. Anybody's input is welcome here.
     
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    To break ties as much as possible, I'm saying that if a team loses in a shootout, it's better than losing in OT, so they will be placed higher, I know this might be a bit like what you said about teams winning in the shootout, well I guess I'm doing the opposite, it was maybe the best, most simple way I could come up with to break ties, then I will go to goal difference. Less games played will have you lower down too, unless you think less losses is the way to go.
     
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    Sounds great!
     
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    The Canadian Hockey League released their Top 10 today (http://www.chl.ca/article/chl-announces-bmo-chl-top-10-rankings_150483)

    Rank Team (Record)
    1 Blainville-Boisbriand Armada (10-0-1-0)
    2 London Knights (7-1-1-0)
    3 Spokane Chiefs (8-2-0-0)
    4 Kingston Frontenacs (7-1-0-1)
    5 Medicine Hat Tigers (7-1-1-0)
    6 Seattle Thunderbirds (8-2-0-0)
    7 Charlottetown Islanders (8-2-0-1)
    8 Guelph Storm (6-3-0-0)
    9 Kelowna Rockets (5-1-0-2)
    10 Rimouski Oceanic (7-3-0-1)

    Here is the Evans Rankings Top 10 as of 1:29 pm Pacific Time on 10/16
    Rank Team (Record, Evans Rankings #)
    1 Blainville-Boisbriand Armada (10-0-1-0, 3.348)
    2 Kingston Frontenacs (7-1-0-1, 2.839)
    3 Spokane Chiefs (8-2-0-0, 2.631)
    4 Guelph Storm (6-3-0-0, 2.533)
    5 London Knights (7-1-1-0, 2.278)
    6 Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds (6-1-0-1, 2.156)
    7 Kelowna Rockets (5-1-0-2, 2.067)
    8 Oshawa Generals (7-2-0-1, 1.922)
    9 Medicine Hat Tigers (7-1-1-0, 1.783)
    10 Charlottetown Islanders (8-2-0-1, 1.700)

    Rank Team (Record, Evans Rankings #) CHL Rank
    22 Seattle Thunderbirds (8-2-0-0, 0.705) #6
    26 Rimouski Oceanic (7-3-0-1, 0.288) #10

    Why I have these teams ranked so low:
    Seattle: In my formula, you are not rewarded or punished for shootout wins or losses. Seattle has 3 shootout wins so far which already puts them at a disadvantage when it comes to accumulating a positive score. Add in the fact that of Seattle regulation or overtime wins only 1 has come from a team with a win % above .500, and 2 have come against teams with a win % of .100. Not a very good regulation/OT win resume so far. The next 5 games don't do the T-birds any favor either as they have Kamloops, PG, Swift Current, Tri-City and Vancouver. The Swift Current game should be a good one and one that they will need to win before a shootout in order to climb the Evans Rankings ladder.

    Rimouski: Rimouski is ranked low due to bad luck. 7 wins on the season really aren't that bad but 2 were in a shootout and 2 were against winless Shawinigan. Right there they have 4 zeros were they could have some positive numbers. Unfortunately the shootout wins will remain zeros but if/when Shawinigan starts getting results, this will have a positive impact on Rimouski.
     
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    My ranking, updated, WPCT:
    1. Blainville-Boisbriand Armada QMJHL .955
    2. Kingston Frontenacs OHL .833
    3. Medicine Hat Tigers WHL .833
    4. London Knights OHL .833
    5. Spokane Chiefs WHL .818
    6. Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds OHL .812
    7. Kelowna Rockets WHL .778
    8. Everett Silvertips WHL .778
    9. Charlottetown Islanders QMJHL .773
    10. Oshawa Generals OHL .750

    Seattle is out, Kelowna is in, Spokane moves up.
     
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    My ranking, updated, WPCT:
    1. Blainville-Boisbriand Armada QMJHL .955
    2. Kingston Frontenacs OHL .833
    3. Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds OHL .833
    4. Medicine Hat Tigers WHL .833
    5. London Knights OHL .833
    6. Spokane Chiefs WHL .818
    7. Charlottetown Islanders QMJHL .792
    8. Kelowna Rockets WHL .778
    9. Everett Silvertips WHL .778
    10. Oshawa Generals OHL .750

    The Greyhounds and the Islanders move up.
     
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    Results from Thursday
    OHL
    Niagara 7, Ottawa 4 (Final)
    Plymouth 3, North Bay 2 (Final/OT)
    Peterborough 4, Mississuaga 3 (Final)
    Sarnia 6, Saginaw 3 (Final)
    Guelph 3, Windsor 2 (Final)
    Sault Ste. Marie 1, Barrie 0 (Final)

    QMJHL
    Rouyn-Noranda 7, Cape Breton 4 (Final)
    Charlottetown 7, Val-d'Or 1 (Final)

    WHL
    Calgary 4, Saskatoon 3 (Final/SO)

    ER Nightly Top 15:
    Rank Team (League, Record, Evans Rankings #)
    1 Blainville-Boisbriand Armada (QMJHL, 10-0-1-0, 3.390)
    2 Spokane Chiefs (WHL, 9-2-0-0, 3.277)
    3 Kingston Frontenacs (OHL, 7-1-0-1, 2.927)
    4 Guelph Storm (OHL, 7-3-0-0, 2.888)
    5 London Knights (OHL, 7-1-1-0, 2.432)
    6 Kelowna Rockets (WHL, 6-1-0-2, 2.414)
    7 Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds (OHL, 7-1-0-1, 2.382)
    8 Charlottetown Islanders (QMJHL, 9-2-0-1, 2.078)
    9 Oshawa Generals (OHL, 7-2-0-1, 2.000)
    10 Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL, 7-1-1-0, 1.621)
    11 Val-d'Or Foreurs (QMJHL, 7-5-0-0, 1.492)
    12 Drummondville Voltigeurs (QMJHL, 7-5-0-0, 1.364)
    13 Portland Winterhawks (WHL, 5-3-0-1, 1.326)
    14 Swift Current Broncos (WHL, 6-4-0-1, 1.213)
    15 Victoriaville Tigres (QMJHL, 8-3-1-0, 1.160)
     
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    My ranking, updated, WPCT:
    1. Blainville-Boisbriand Armada QMJHL .955
    2. Kingston Frontenacs OHL .850
    3. Spokane Chiefs WHL .833
    4. Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds OHL .833
    5. Medicine Hat Tigers WHL .800
    6. Charlottetown Islanders QMJHL .792
    7. Kelowna Rockets WHL .778
    8. Oshawa Generals OHL .773
    9. Erie Otters OHL .773
    10. London Knights OHL .750

    Much change, Everett are out, Erie are in, Spokane are 3rd, London drop to 10th.
     
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    Results from Friday
    OHL
    Erie 4, Belleville 3
    Owen Sound 4, Sarnia 2
    Guelph 5, Niagara 4 (SO)
    Kingston 6, Kitchener 2
    Oshawa 5, London 3
    Plymouth 3, Sudbury 2

    QMJHL
    Acadie-Bathurst 4, Chicoutimi 3
    Halifax 5, Val-d'Or 2
    Quebec 3, Moncton 0
    Baie-Comeau 7, Sherbrooke 1
    Gatineau 4, Drummondville 3
    Shawinigan 4, Rimouski 3 (OT)

    WHL
    Saskatoon 4, Kootenay 2
    Edmonton 4, Red Deer 0
    Regina 3, Medicine Hat 2 (OT)
    Portland 5, Swift Current 4
    Spokane 4, Everett 2
    Tri-City 4, Victoria 2
    Vancouver 5, Kamloops 1
    Prince George 5, Seattle 4 (SO)

    ER Nightly Top 15:
    Rank Team (League, Record, Evans Rankings #)
    1 Spokane Chiefs (WHL, 10-2-0-0, 3.833)
    2 Blainville-Boisbriand Armada (QMJHL, 10-0-1-0, 3.368)
    3 Kingston Frontenacs (OHL, 8-1-0-1, 3.311)
    4 Guelph Storm (OHL, 8-3-0-0, 2.873)
    5 Oshawa Generals (OHL, 8-2-0-1, 2.654)
    6 Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds (OHL, 7-1-0-1, 2.398)
    7 Kelowna Rockets (WHL, 6-1-0-2, 2.391)
    8 London Knights (OHL, 7-1-1-0, 2.135)
    9 Charlottetown Islanders (QMJHL, 9-2-0-1, 2.049)
    10 Portland Winterhawks (WHL, 6-3-0-1, 1.897)
    11 Victoriaville Tigres (QMJHL, 8-3-1-0, 1.315)
    12 Erie Otters (OHL, 8-2-1-0, 1.314)
    13 Cape Breton Screaming Eagles (QMJHL, 6-5-0-2, 1.211)
    14 Val-d'Or Foreurs (QMJHL, 7-6-0-0, 1.182)
    15 Baie-Comeau Drakkar (QMJHL, 8-4-0-2, 1.139)
     
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    Results from Saturday 10/19
    OHL
    Erie 6, Ottawa 2
    Niagara 4, Belleville 1
    Sudbury 6, Mississauga 5 (OT)
    Sault Ste. Marie 9, Peterborough 7
    Windsor 4, London 3
    Sarnia 5, Saginaw 3
    Barrie 4, Plymouth 2
    Owen Sound 5, Kingston 4 (OT)

    QMJHL
    Rimouski 7, Sherbrooke 1
    Baie-Comeau 7, Victoriaville 0
    Charlottetown 3, Chicoutimi 0
    Rouyn-Noranda 5, Halifax 3
    Quebec 5, Saint John 2
    Gatineau 3, Blainville-Boisbriand 1

    WHL
    Brandon 6, Medicine Hat 3
    Kootenay 4, Edmonton 3
    Lethbridge 8, Saskatoon 5
    Regina 4, Moose Jaw 2
    Calgary 5, Red Deer 2
    Everett 1, Kamloops 0
    Kelowna 3, Prince George 2
    Seattle 6, Swift Current 3
    Victoria 4, Spokane 1
    Portland 8, Tri-City 1

    ER Nightly Top 15:
    Rank Team (League, Record, Evans Rankings #)
    1 Spokane Chiefs (WHL, 10-3-0-0, 3.463)
    2 Blainville-Boisbriand Armada (QMJHL, 10-1-1-0, 3.023)
    3 Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds (OHL, 8-1-0-1, 2.961)
    4 Kelowna Rockets (WHL, 7-1-0-2, 2.889)
    5 Kingston Frontenacs (OHL, 8-1-1-1, 2.842)
    6 Oshawa Generals (OHL, 8-2-0-1, 2.763)
    7 Guelph Storm (OHL, 8-3-0-0, 2.742)
    8 Charlottetown Islanders (QMJHL, 10-2-0-1, 2.441)
    9 Portland Winterhawks (WHL, 7-3-0-1, 2.131)
    10 Gatineau Olympiques (QMJHL, 9-5-0-0, 1.950)
    11 Erie Otters (OHL, 9-2-1-0, 1.767)
    12 Baie-Comeau Drakkar (QMJHL, 9-4-0-2, 1.735)
    13 London Knights (OHL, 7-3-1-0, 1.633)
    14 Calgary Hitmen (WHL, 7-3-0-1, 1.188)
    15 Rouyn-Noranda Huskies (QMJHL, 7-4-1-1, 1.182)
     
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2013

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