Proposal: Chi-Phi

[Blackhawkswincup]

To
G Corey Crawford (50% retained)

To
G Brian Elliott
Flyers 2020 or 2021 2nd round pick (Flyers choice at draft)

Hawks get a 2nd round pick while Flyers get a two time cup winning goalie to upgrade position and provide some more stability as Hart has been up and down and Elliott has sucked

I believe Crawford still has a run in him (Has been good for Hawks rotating with Lehner) and would be willing to waive NMC for Philly as Hawks are fading out of playoff race

Both he and Elliott are UFA's after season

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[DarthProbert]

Why does Philly get to choose when the pick is? You want something, you pay for it.

Other than than, sure, why not.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Why does Philly get to choose when the pick is? You want something, you pay for it.

Other than than, sure, why not.

Some GM's like certain drafts so I left it as option for Flyers

+ If they miss playoffs this year they may want to keep it over next years if they feel they will be much better next season

For Hawks getting 2nd in either year is solid pickup as team is rebuilding

 

[Curufinwe]

I would do it. Elliott is playing below what he did his first two years in Philly. Some people don't realize this because the team is winning in spite of his poor performance.

In 17-18 + 18-19 his ES SV% was .923.

This season it's .908.

In 12-13 Bryzgalov had an ES SV% of .907.

 

[Larry44]

To
G Corey Crawford (50% retained)

To
G Brian Elliott
Flyers 2020 or 2021 2nd round pick (Flyers choice at draft)

Hawks get a 2nd round pick while Flyers get a two time cup winning goalie to upgrade position and provide some more stability as Hart has been up and down and Elliott has sucked

I believe Crawford still has a run in him (Has been good for Hawks rotating with Lehner) and would be willing to waive NMC for Philly as Hawks are fading out of playoff race

Both he and Elliott are UFA's after season

I would love to see Elliott leave asap.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Fair enough deal all around I would say.

 

[flyersfan187]

I’d be against it because I am in the ride or die with Hart this season if they get in the playoffs. But a solid offer.

 

[YP44]

switch Crawford to Lehner and remove condition

 

[Blaine8797]

To
G Corey Crawford (50% retained)

To
G Brian Elliott
Flyers 2020 or 2021 2nd round pick (Flyers choice at draft)

Hawks get a 2nd round pick while Flyers get a two time cup winning goalie to upgrade position and provide some more stability as Hart has been up and down and Elliott has sucked

I believe Crawford still has a run in him (Has been good for Hawks rotating with Lehner) and would be willing to waive NMC for Philly as Hawks are fading out of playoff race

Both he and Elliott are UFA's after season

I’d like to see a trade around Saad and lehner

 

[Starat327]

The values probably fine, but I'm not sure this moves the needle for the flyers overall. I get that some people are willing to send picks for a playoff win, but we arent realistic contenders so I dont personally get the point.

 

[Hawkaholic]

switch Crawford to Lehner and remove condition

Flyers would need to add.

 

[YP44]

Flyers would need to add.

not if Lehner is walking to UFA anyway.

 

[Toby Flenderson]

What is Crawford’s value by himself?

Seems like he would be worth more than this, but I could be wrong I don’t watch a lot of Hawks games.

Also, what’s his contract like?

 

[Flyer lurker]

To
G Corey Crawford (50% retained)

To
G Brian Elliott
Flyers 2020 or 2021 2nd round pick (Flyers choice at draft)

Hawks get a 2nd round pick while Flyers get a two time cup winning goalie to upgrade position and provide some more stability as Hart has been up and down and Elliott has sucked

I believe Crawford still has a run in him (Has been good for Hawks rotating with Lehner) and would be willing to waive NMC for Philly as Hawks are fading out of playoff race

Both he and Elliott are UFA's after season

Kudos for making an offer you have to go hmm on. I think I would hold the pick/use different rental as if all goes well Crawford would not play in playoffs. But if trade were completed I wouldn't hate it. Solid proposal.

 

[Hawkaholic]

not if Lehner is walking to UFA anyway.

Chicago can still sign him and lose some of that ability if they trade him.

 

[Hawkaholic]

What is Crawford’s value by himself?

Seems like he would be worth more than this, but I could be wrong I don’t watch a lot of Hawks games.

Also, what’s his contract like?

I'd say a 3rd, 2nd at most if a team really wants him. He makes 6mil and is a UFA at years end.

 

[Flyer lurker]

What is Crawford’s value by himself?

Seems like he would be worth more than this, but I could be wrong I don’t watch a lot of Hawks games.

Also, what’s his contract like?

Contract is ugly 6m cap 5m base but fa end of year. Why to work Chicago has to retain 50%. Crawford at this stage is 1a goalie and not a 1. If similar offer out there to the Avs they probably have to do it.

 

[YP44]

Chicago can still sign him and lose some of that ability if they trade him.

true, i guess is that ability they lose worth a 2nd or not?

 

[Rebels57]

I don't think the upgrade from Elliott to Crawford is worth a 2nd considering Crawford would be the backup come playoff time if we make it.

In the last 6 years the Flyers done really well with 2nd round picks..whether they keep them (Aube-Kubel, Hart, Allison) or use them in deals to trade up to draft great players or prospects (Konecny, Ratcliffe, Brink).

Something like Crawford (50% retained) for Elliott + 3rd is the most I would go. Maybe slap some conditions on the 3rd that upgrades it to a 2nd if we win 2 rounds and Crawford plays a certain amount of playoff games? At least then we know we lost that 2nd but gained tangible valuable playoff experience for the young guys on the team.

 

[Hawkaholic]

true, i guess is that ability they lose worth a 2nd or not?

It's possible they could get a 3rd just for his rights. I think Crawford could potentially get a 2nd, so i'd rather try and deal him and sign Lehner than trade Lehner for only slightly more and lose that ability.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Honestly, I'd rather keep Elliot than trade a 2nd for a backup.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Flyers would need to add.

I'm not adding anything for a backup goalie. Despite popular belief, we're not the team to send a goalie to.

We're not a backup goalie away from winning a Cup.

 

[TLEH]

Crawford is not a 1a. He’s a 1. A good one too.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I would do it. Elliott is playing below what he did his first two years in Philly. Some people don't realize this because the team is winning in spite of his poor performance.

In 17-18 + 18-19 his ES SV% was .923.

This season it's .908.

In 12-13 Bryzgalov had an ES SV% of .907.

I could be looking up the wrong stats, but I think Hart and Elliot have near identical ES SV% in the .880s

I just don't think Elliot is trash, but he's not my #1.

 

[Deadpool8812]

Not worth it for the Flyets