Royal Canuck
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Just watch the first minute.
Look at the puck movement.
The smoothness, the crashing of the net, the finish.
Where is that?
Changing of Styles Since the Cup Run
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Look at the puck movement.
The smoothness, the crashing of the net, the finish.
Where is that?
PG Canuck
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Said it from the day we let hoff go, trading skill or size is wrong strategy. We'll never be bigger and tougher than those teams so why try to fight fire with fire when we almost had enough water to get the job done. We're no longer a team that can roll all lines and just ware teams down, we're now like all other mediocre teams with no identity.
opendoor
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I find it somewhat presumptuous and even a little arrogant to suggest that the Canucks could achieve similar success simply by maintaining their personnel and style. Teams adapt and the league changes. The playoffs showed how to stymie the Canucks offense and that was box them out and let them shoot from the perimeter all night long. There's a reason that uber-skilled 2011 team was the lowest scoring team to make the SCF in NHL history and that's because they couldn't score in a tight playoff scenario.
There's also a bit of revisionist history about the quality of the lineup. Talking like that team was 4 lines of skill when in reality it regularly featured Malhotra, Torres, Tambellini, Glass, Oreskovich, and Bolduc up front is a little dishonest.
Regardless of style, that team was successful primarily because it was strong down the middle, had a deadly PP, it got fantastic goaltending, and they had a defensive pair in Bieksa and Hamhuis who could shut down top lines. The Canucks haven't been strong at C or on the PP since Kesler was injured last January, their goaltending has struggled for most of this year, and Hamhuis and Bieksa have been mostly brutal. Hence their current predicament.
There's also a bit of revisionist history about the quality of the lineup. Talking like that team was 4 lines of skill when in reality it regularly featured Malhotra, Torres, Tambellini, Glass, Oreskovich, and Bolduc up front is a little dishonest.
Regardless of style, that team was successful primarily because it was strong down the middle, had a deadly PP, it got fantastic goaltending, and they had a defensive pair in Bieksa and Hamhuis who could shut down top lines. The Canucks haven't been strong at C or on the PP since Kesler was injured last January, their goaltending has struggled for most of this year, and Hamhuis and Bieksa have been mostly brutal. Hence their current predicament.
BoHorvatFan
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Mediocre skill.
Mediocre size.
Mediocre toughness.
Mediocre to poor special teams.
Damn right.
Funny thing is, we were tougher then than we are now. The contributions of Manny, Torres and Samuelsson to that is pretty clear from that video.
Yup. People loved how we let Erhoff go. I told you.
The offense ran through him and he fit our system perfectly. So what if he got a huge front loaded contract if his cap hit is only 4M. Aquilini needs to shell it out if he wants the best team possible. Seeing Bieksa at 4.6 compared to Erhoff makes me sick. Gillis goof'd up.
We traded away any skill we had drafted in Grabner and Hodgson for defense and "toughness". At least we're big tough guys like our heroes da Bostin Bruins. And people wonder why we can't score now.
The offense ran through him and he fit our system perfectly. So what if he got a huge front loaded contract if his cap hit is only 4M. Aquilini needs to shell it out if he wants the best team possible. Seeing Bieksa at 4.6 compared to Erhoff makes me sick. Gillis goof'd up.
We traded away any skill we had drafted in Grabner and Hodgson for defense and "toughness". At least we're big tough guys like our heroes da Bostin Bruins. And people wonder why we can't score now.
me2
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Just watched the first 6 minutes. The bad goaltending, low percentage shots, the friendly rebounds and deflections. Basically every kind of bounce the current team isn't getting.
me2
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Not sure why people bring up Grabner, he really contributed next to nothing while he was here. His being traded has nothing to do with anything when looking back at past teams.
Luongos Knob
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Yeah, I'm sure it had nothing to do with Henrik, Kesler, Raymond, Samuelsson, Malhotra, Higgins, Edler, Ehrhoff, Hamhuis, Bieksa being injured at one point or another, and Rome being suspended. Nah
Royal Canuck
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Hindsight. When that trade was made Ballard was a top 4 d-man whose only blemish was decapitating his own goalie (which Canucks fans wouldn't even mind cause the Luongo hate was flowing hard after another Chicago playoff exit). Grabner was looking like he wasn't going to stick in the NHL. Personally, at the time I was more upset to lose the 1st round pick.
I second this post.
Mike Gillis lost his mind. Demitra(rip) Samuelsson, Sundin, Erhoff, Sturm
were good skill players.
opendoor
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How many of those guys were injured in the first 2 rounds where the scoring was terrible?
And you're seriously saying Rome being suspended is a good reason why they couldn't score?
Royal Canuck
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I second this post.
Mike Gillis lost his mind. Demitra(rip) Samuelsson, Sundin, Erhoff, Sturm
I think that Sundin's tenure in Vancouver was a lot like Messier's. And that's not a good comparison.
DennisReynolds
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Because we could be a team like the black hawks right now who beats teams with speed and skill with all 4 lines, but instead we're just a team with indevidul skills but doesn't gel.
Jefe88
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Grabner is referred as having "stone hands" by Islander fans. He had one good season playing with Tavares, and he really had nowhere to go here at the time.
DennisReynolds
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But this is about changing the style after the cup run. As far as I'm concerned, we had lots of question marks in our blueline and that's why we traded for Ballard.
mossey3535
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I call BS. We should be able to at least come close to 2010 with the group we have.
Yes, we have gotten bigger, but if you look at our drafts and our acquisitions in general (including Kassian) we've clearly tried to get guys who are big AND can skate. We didn't suddenly become some lumbering team where every guy is Brian Boyle or Hal Gill.
Here's a novel concept - instead of clinging to a system that has been long figured out that also happened to complement Ehrhoff well...why not try tailoring your system to the players you DO have?
Of course, let's ignore the fact our D is virtually untouched since 2010, and they had a decent (if not totally up to potential IMO) last year without Ehrhoff.
Even if you do maintain the system, why not try Ballard in the same role as Ehrhoff as a PMD? He can rush it, and his first pass is good. Except we've never tried that, ever.
The personnel argument just holds no water for me because we have NEVER tried putting our guys in the best position to succeed.
Yes, we have gotten bigger, but if you look at our drafts and our acquisitions in general (including Kassian) we've clearly tried to get guys who are big AND can skate. We didn't suddenly become some lumbering team where every guy is Brian Boyle or Hal Gill.
Here's a novel concept - instead of clinging to a system that has been long figured out that also happened to complement Ehrhoff well...why not try tailoring your system to the players you DO have?
Of course, let's ignore the fact our D is virtually untouched since 2010, and they had a decent (if not totally up to potential IMO) last year without Ehrhoff.
Even if you do maintain the system, why not try Ballard in the same role as Ehrhoff as a PMD? He can rush it, and his first pass is good. Except we've never tried that, ever.
The personnel argument just holds no water for me because we have NEVER tried putting our guys in the best position to succeed.
It's funny how people keep bringing up Grabner but the guy has only had 1 real good year on the Isles.
The guy is fast but he also blows the zone early for those breakaways, half the time losing the puck in the neutral zone and other teams just capitalizing on it when they go the other way. The guy has been carried by Nielsen for his whole stint in NYI.
The guy is fast but he also blows the zone early for those breakaways, half the time losing the puck in the neutral zone and other teams just capitalizing on it when they go the other way. The guy has been carried by Nielsen for his whole stint in NYI.
Luongos Knob
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How many of those guys were injured in the first 2 rounds where the scoring was terrible?
And you're seriously saying Rome being suspended is a good reason why they couldn't score?
Henrik, Samuelsson, Malhotra, Higgins, Ehrhoff. Who do you think is better offensively, Alberts or Rome?
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