CBJ Board 2019 Prospect Rankings

Double-Shift Lasse · Aug 14, 2019

Here it is, your CBJ HF Boards top 20 prospect list.

1. Alexandre Texier (LW/C)
2. Vladislav Gavrikov (D)
3. Emil Bemstrom (LW/C)
4. Liam Foudy (C)
5. Daniil Tarasov (G)
6. Andrew Peeke (D)
7. Veini Vehviläinen (G)
8. Trey Fix-Wolansky (RW)
9. Kirill Marchenko (RW/LW)
10. Kevin Stenlund (C)
11. Gabriel Carlsson (D)
12. Eric Robinson (LW)
13. Eric Hjorth (D)
14. Marcus Karlberg (LW/RW)
15. Kole Sherwood (RW)
16. Paul Bittner (LW)
17. Dmitri Voronkov (LW)
18. Tim Berni (D)
19. Calvin Thürkauf (C/LW)
20. Carson Meyer (RW)

This is where, I believe, individual posters come in and post their own rankings and tell why the collected group is so effing wrong about this.

Also, the unranked, listed alphabetically:
Tyler Angle (C)
Ryan Collins (D)
Maxime Fortier (RW)
Kale Howarth (LW)
Matiss Kivlenieks (G)
Ryan MacInnis (C)
Michael Prapavessis (D)
Justin Scott (C/W)
Robbie Stucker (D)
Peter Thome (G)

Double-Shift Lasse · Aug 14, 2019

DarkandStormy · Aug 14, 2019

majormajor · Aug 14, 2019

Thanks mods for organizing this!

Double-Shift Lasse said:
This is where, I believe, individual posters come in and post their own rankings and tell why the collected group is so effing wrong about this.

It's a good list!

I would say that I had VV and Robinson a bit lower, I don't see as much upside there. Stenlund also lower. Voronkov is one kid I'd take a flyer on, I had him ranked just ahead of Stenlund and Robinson.

Double-Shift Lasse · Aug 14, 2019

DarkandStormy said:
CBJ Board Summer 2018 Prospect Rankings - Top 20
2018:
1. Vitaly Abramov| RW (traded)
2. Liam Foudy|C (-2)
3. Vladislav Gavrikov|D (+1)
4. Elvis Merzlikins|G (aged out)
5. Alexandre Texier|C (+4)
6. Jonathan Davidsson|RW (traded)
7. Kirill Marchenko|RW (-2)
8. Andrew Peeke|D (+2)
9. Gabriel Carlsson|D (-2)
10. Kevin Stenlund|C (no change)
11. Daniil Tarasov|G (+6)
12. Veini Vehvilainen|G (+6)
13. Calvin Thurkauf|C (-6)
14. Emil Bemstrom|C (+11)
15. Marcus Karlberg|LW (+1)
16. Maxime Fortier|RW (off list)
17. Eric Robinson|LW (+5)
18. Kole Sherwood|LW (+3)
18. Sam Vigneault|C (off list / AHL contract)
20. Tim Berni|D (+2)

This was the best I could do on 2017 (via archives).
2017:
#1|Pierre-Luc Dubois|C/LW
#2|Oliver Bjorkstrand|RW
#3|Gabriel Carlsson|D
#4|Vitaly Abramov|RW
#5|Vladislav Gavrikov|D
#6|Sonny Milano|LW
#7|Kevin Stenlund|C
#8|Alexandre Texier|C
#9|Elvis Merzlikins|G
#10|Tyler Motte|C/LW
#11|Andrew Peeke|D
#12|Daniil Tarasov|G
#13|Calvin Thurkauf|C
#14|Markus Hannikainen|LW
#15|Kole Sherwood|RW
#16|Matiss Kivlenieks|G
#17|Jonathan Davidsson|RW
#18|Sam Vigneault|C
#19|Emil Bemstrom|C
#20|Carson Meyer|RW

2016 I could not find archived.

Thanks D&S!

Also for clarity, and not to appear unappreciative, but I had also copied 2018, just in case people see the two lists and think they're different and wonder why the appear to match.

DarkandStormy · Aug 14, 2019

Double-Shift Lasse said:
For entertainment purposes only, here is last year's voted top 20:

18. Kyle Sherwood|LW

There's another Sherwood brother?

DarkandStormy · Aug 14, 2019

Double-Shift Lasse said:
Thanks D&S!

Also for clarity, and not to appear unappreciative, but I had also copied 2018, just in case people see the two lists and think they're different and wonder why the appear to match.

I had pulled it and saw your post, so I updated with YoY changes in rankings. Wayback Machine isn't helpful for the '16 list (which I assume went something like Werenski, PLD, Bjorkstrand).

EspenK · Aug 14, 2019

I see the top 8 as offering hope. Not all will make it but if 4 or 5 do that works for me. Marchenko is a complete wild card in my mind. He will be a star or our next Filatov. From 10 down I see nothing to get excited about but hope 1 or 2 guys at least become good call ups or trade toss ins.

Double-Shift Lasse · Aug 14, 2019

DarkandStormy said:
I had pulled it and saw your post, so I updated with YoY changes in rankings. Wayback Machine isn't helpful for the '16 list (which I assume went something like Werenski, PLD, Bjorkstrand).

Yeah love the comparison. I was doing it in my head but way better to just have it down.

Double-Shift Lasse · Aug 14, 2019

I’m looking at the list and while maybe I’d move a guy or two up or down a bit I don’t think anyone is outside their currently appropriate tier, even if they’re not in that tier for the same reason as others in the same tier.

CBJx614 · Aug 14, 2019

Dang Bemstrom and VV both took massive leaps up the list

Double-Shift Lasse · Aug 14, 2019

WubbaLubbaDubDub said:
Dang Bemstrom and VV both took massive leaps up the list

Tarasov also +6.

Could be an indication we're happy with how our prospects are developing in Europe? (Tex & Gav, too)

Viqsi · Aug 14, 2019

Double-Shift Lasse said:
I used to like to include 3-4 prior years of these, but we used to list them in tables, which were lost in the system switch. If anyone can find the voted lists from '17 or '16 definitively, feel free to add them.

I save my lists in the order I picked, but I also make a note of where the end up in the final voting, so I can recreate these several years back. The original lists also have rankings from HF articles, back when that was still done, as well as all the add candidates. So!

2010: (my original list)
1. Nikita Filatov
2. John Moore
3. Ryan Johansen
4. Matt Calvert
5. David Savard
6. Cody Goloubef
7. Maxim Mayorov
8. Petr Straka
9. Gustaf Wesslau
10. Grant Clitsome
11. Cam Atkinson
12. Will Weber
13. Anton Blomqvist
14. Tomas Kubalik
15. Tomas Kana
16. Teddy Ruth
17. Kevin Lynch
18. Dalton Smith
19. Brett Regner
20. Matt Rust

2011: (my original list)
1. Ryan Johansen
2. Matt Calvert
3. David Savard
4. John Moore
5. Tomas Kubalik
6. Cam Atkinson
7. Maxim Mayorov
8. Boone Jenner
9. Cody Goloubef
10. Allen York
11. Petr Straka
12. Michael Chaput
13. Will Weber
14. Teddy Ruth
15. TJ Tynan
16. Anton Blomqvist
17. Oliver Gabriel
18. Seth Ambroz
19. Dalton Smith
20. Thomas Larkin

2012: (my original list)
1. Ryan Murray
2. Cam Atkinson
3. Tim Erixon
4. David Savard
5. Boone Jenner
6. Oscar Dansk
7. Matt Calvert
8. Michael Chaput
9. Tomas Kubalik
T10. Cody Goloubef
T10. Anton Forsberg
12. Jonathan Marchessault
13. TJ Tynan
14. Mike Reilly
15. Allen York
16. Will Weber
17. Joonas Korpisalo
18. Dalton Prout
19. Daniel Zaar
20. Lukas Sedlak

2013: (my original list)
1. Ryan Murray
2. Cam Atkinson
3. Alexander Wennberg
4. Boone Jenner
5. Tim Erixon
6. Kerby Rychel
7. Dalton Prout
8. Marko Dano
9. Oscar Dansk
10. Cody Golouef
11. Anton Forsberg
12. Dillon Heatherington
13. David Savard
14. Oliver Bjorkstrand
15. Mike Reilly
16. Michael Chaput
17. Jonathan Marchessault
18. Daniel Zaar
19. Joonas Korpisalo
20. Nick Moutrey

2014: No record; I refused to participate, in protest over the 2013 vote. (Take a look at my original list that year to get an idea as to why.)

2015: (my original list)
1. Zach Werenski
2. Sonny Milano
3. Oliver Bjorkstrand
4. Kerby Rychel
5. Killon Heatherington
T6. Gabriel Carlsson
T6. Anton Forsberg
8. Michael Paliotta
9. Paul Bittner
10. William Karlsson
11. Josh Anderson
12. Austin Madaisky
13. Kelvin Stenlund
14. Ryan Collins
15. TJ Tynan
T16. Joonas Korpisalo
T16. Daniel Zaar
18. Blake Siebenaler
19. Oliver Leblanc
20. Elvis Merzlikins

2016: (my original list)
1. Zach Werenski
2. Pierre-Luc Dubois
3. Oliver Bjorkstrand
4. Joonas Korpisalo
5. Sonny Milano
6. Josh Anderson
7. Gabriel Carlsson
8. Anton Forsberg
9. Vitaly Abramov
10. Paul Bittner
11. Keegan Kolesar
12. Daniel Zaar
13. Dean Kukan
14. Markus Nutivaara
15. Vladislav Gavrikov
16. Elvis Merzlikins
17. Dillon Heatherington
18. Andrew Peeke
19. Veeti Vainio
20. Markus Hannikainen

#13/#14 is challenging on this one because I accidentally put both Kukan and Nutivaara down as #14. The #14 vote for that year, tho, shows folks mentioning they're voting for Nuti, tho, so Kukan evidently won #13.

@DarkandStormy already covered 2017 and 2018, but in case anyone cares:
My list for 2017
My list for 2018

And, of course, this year's list.

pled · Aug 15, 2019

the biggest drop were traded so that's something. also Thurkauf dropped mostly because of injury. the team didn't have much draft pic but at least didn't lose much prospect since last year.

majormajor · Aug 15, 2019

pled said:
the biggest drop were traded so that's something. also Thurkauf dropped mostly because of injury. the team didn't have much draft pic but at least didn't lose much prospect since last year.

Davidsson and Abramov would have tumbled down the list if they weren't traded. And I think Marchenko, Carlsson, and Stenlund all seemed to have mildly disappointing seasons - they only fell a couple spots because there were only a couple strong candidates to jump up from below them and we didn't draft anyone in the top 3 rounds.

On the other hand I think the top 4 all looked really good - Texier, Gavrikov, Bemstrom, and Foudy. Foudy dropped a couple spots despite having a strong year where he added to his game. I remember writing last year that it looked like we could scramble the top 10 list and it still wouldn't look nonsensical, there were good arguments for putting Marchenko ahead of Abramov, for example. This year you can't do that, there was some big separation. And that might be okay. A few high end gems is what we need from our group anyways, there isn't a quantity issue on the roster.

Doggy · Aug 15, 2019

I read Corey Pronman’s list on THE Athletic this morning. I don’t know how much he can really scout all these guys. He knows a boatload more about hockey and recognizing talent but he’s trying to watch 31 teams and I’m just following one.

I find it interesting how widely different his opinion is on several players: Marchenko, Gavrikov, Voronkov and Peeke.

EspenK · Aug 15, 2019

DoggyII said:
I read Corey Pronman’s list on THE Athletic this morning. I don’t know how much he can really scout all these guys. He knows a boatload more about hockey and recognizing talent but he’s trying to watch 31 teams and I’m just following one.

I find it interesting how widely different his opinion is on several players: Marchenko, Gavrikov, Voronkov and Peeke.

Cliff notesfor non-subscibers?

The Wheelchair · Aug 15, 2019

DoggyII said:
I read Corey Pronman’s list on THE Athletic this morning. I don’t know how much he can really scout all these guys. He knows a boatload more about hockey and recognizing talent but he’s trying to watch 31 teams and I’m just following one.

I find it interesting how widely different his opinion is on several players: Marchenko, Gavrikov, Voronkov and Peeke.

Interesting read for sure. I don't think his evaluations (as judged by his comments) differed wildly from the consensus here, though obviously his rankings did. With someone like Gavrikov, he sees the same things we're all seeing (very good defensive player, limited offensive upside) but apparently differs on the value of that to an NHL team. Also, I found it interesting that he dinged Stenlund for not producing the results his skillset would suggest but also had Marchenko that high with effectively the same comment. Age is the obvious difference between the two, but still seems a little iffy to me. I mean, Marchenko's highlight reel is unbelievable, but Stenlund's is very good too, and Stenlund's was compiled in the SHL, which is a good ways ahead of the MHL.

He also likes Kale Howarth more than us, which I understand -- guys with his physical tools are hard to find, though 11 points in 32 games from a 21-year-old college freshman on a not-great team doesn't really scream "NHL prospect". And he basically punted on Hjorth, shoving him in the "depth players" roundup while noting he hasn't seen much of him and he'll be following him closely in the OHL this season.

Doggy · Aug 15, 2019

EspenK said:
Cliff notesfor non-subscibers?

Not sure how much or how little I am allowed to share from my sub but this should be safe: Marchenko top three, Voronkov easily in the top ten while Vlad and Peeke are in the double digits. He gives his argument for or against every player rated.

He ranked the prospect pool #25 (AP tweeted that so I feel safe adding it to the post).

EspenK · Aug 15, 2019

DoggyII said:
Not sure how much or how little I am allowed to share from my sub but this should be safe: Marchenko top three, Voronkov easily in the top ten while Vlad and Peeke are in the double digits. He gives his argument for or against every player rated.

He ranked the prospect pool #25 (AP tweeted that so I feel safe adding it to the post).

Thanks. I think you can post a quote or two as long as you provide link which doesn't help non-subscribers. Your summary is good. From what you said I'm guessing he is rating on highest ceiling.

Old Guy · Aug 15, 2019

	CBJ Board	Pronman - Athletic
1	Texier	Bemstrom
2	Gavrikov	Texier
3	Bemstrom	Marchenko
4	Foudy	Tarasov
5	Tarasov	Foudy
6	Peeke	Elvis
7	VV	Voronkov
8	TFW	TFW
9	Marchenko	Robinson
10	Stenlund	Gavrikov
11	Carlsson	VV
12	Robinson	Stenlund
13	Hjorth	Peeke
14	Karlberg	Sherwood
15	Sherwood	Howarth
16	Bittner	Karlberg
17	Voronkov	Berni

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

The chart shows how the CBJ community valued the prospects, compared to how Corey Pronman valued the prospects in today's Athletic article.

Doggy · Aug 15, 2019

The Wheelchair said:
Also, I found it interesting that he dinged Stenlund for not producing the results his skillset would suggest but also had Marchenko that high with effectively the same comment. Age is the obvious difference between the two, but still seems a little iffy to me. I mean, Marchenko's highlight reel is unbelievable, but Stenlund's is very good too, and Stenlund's was compiled in the SHL, which is a good ways ahead of the MHL.

I agree with Pronman here. Marchenko is a young guy with huge upside potential. The way he bounced between three levels of Russian hockey last year could not have helped his development (certainly not his stats). Stenlund on the other had feels like he has been a CBJ prospect for ten years and still just barely treading water at the AHL level.

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