News Article: Carrera: Washington Capitals’ problems began long before their playoff streak ended

[CapitalsCupReality]

Ok. What does that have to do with the cheap shot that McPhee doesn't have a personality??

Meh, I ignored the personality part, but he sure sounds more and more like a dick every day.

 

[jsykes]

I know multiple people that know gmgm personally and have all said he's a total *******. That he's exactly as he seems, narcissistic and cold.

 

[Ridley Simon]

??

it's a sham. a team shouldnt be awarded anything positive for losing a game, regulation or OT, period. the caps (any team) getting points for losing games made this season a mirage.

Meh.

SO losses would be ties. Therefore granting a point. Some of the OT losses would be ties too. There would be a lot more ties.

Go look at the old standings (from the 80's).

Getting 100 pts was a big deal. Teams made the playoffs with 79 pts. You know, actual losing records.

Then again, there were a few years there, after the merger....that 16 made it, only 5 missed.

 

[Capsman]

Point total is relative to the system. Their ROW stunk for a reason. Marginal teams can squeak out a regulation tie (or choke away a lead) and still get a point enough to give the appearance that they're better than they are because of the way the system is set up.

Good teams win in regulation with much more frequency and don't rely on OT losses or shootouts, which don't mean jack in the playoffs.

People were trying to argue all those shootout points were just as good as regulation wins back in December...that this was still a top team in the East based on points.

How'd that work out?

I guess that is my point. Most people seem to believe the team, as constructed by GMGM, is marginal anyways. Their win total is similar to the other teams who were on the playoff bubble. Sure they had perhaps fewer regulation wins but they also had fewer regulation losses than many of the comparable teams.

My point is that while Oates definitely needs to go (we need a guy who can make the sum greater than the parts), their place in the standings was not really off from predictions before the season.

 

[txpd]

??

it's a sham. a team shouldnt be awarded anything positive for losing a game, regulation or OT, period. the caps (any team) getting points for losing games made this season a mirage.

one man's sham is....reality is that the loser point is the price the league paid to get enough votes to install overtime and then the shootout.

with as defensive as the league has gotten, the number of ties would be simply ridiculous.

you know how many people here hate the shootout and think its a joke. if a shootout loss meant no points, there would be ties after 5 minutes of wasted overtime.

 

[Blades of Steel]

one man's sham is....reality is that the loser point is the price the league paid to get enough votes to install overtime and then the shootout.

with as defensive as the league has gotten, the number of ties would be simply ridiculous.

you know how many people here hate the shootout and think its a joke. if a shootout loss meant no points, there would be ties after 5 minutes of wasted overtime.

I would like it better if they left it the same and just straight took out the loser point. you get 2 if you win, 0 if you lose, doesn't matter how it was done. that is of course they leave the shoot out in the game.

 

[txpd]

I think a lot of people would like no loser point. but the anti shootout group wouldn't allow it. they would rather just have the tie.

 

[Blades of Steel]

I think a lot of people would like no loser point. but the anti shootout group wouldn't allow it. they would rather just have the tie.

I'm ok with keeping the shootout, just no points if you lose period.. It's like the participation trophy for children, everyone gets one.. no these are grown men playing in a pro sport.

you settle it during the game. you lose, you get nothing.

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

I would rather have the fans pick the winner via an applause-o-meter than award points for a shootout. Applause might actually have more to do than the preceding hockey game than a series of breakaways.

 

[g00n]

I would rather have the fans pick the winner via an applause-o-meter than award points for a shootout. Applause might actually have more to do than the preceding hockey game than a series of breakaways.

My suggestion has always been:

3 points for a regulation win
2 points for an OT win
1 point for shootout win
0 points for a loss of any kind


There is no incentive to build a team that bogs down games to get to OT/SO, and no incentive to just survive the OT to get to the shootout. You either build your team to win in regulation or you will be left behind.

 

[txpd]

I'm ok with keeping the shootout, just no points if you lose period.. It's like the participation trophy for children, everyone gets one.. no these are grown men playing in a pro sport.

you settle it during the game. you lose, you get nothing.

I understand that. but the team owners are divided as are the fans. there are not enough owners to vote in no loser point. those that voted for the shootout giving a loser point that don't like the shootout, would vote no.

so, the choice is between a tie and a shootout. no loser point is just not an option.

 

[txpd]

My suggestion has always been:

3 points for a regulation win
2 points for an OT win
1 point for shootout win
0 points for a loss of any kind


There is no incentive to build a team that bogs down games to get to OT/SO, and no incentive to just survive the OT to get to the shootout. You either build your team to win in regulation or you will be left behind.

sure there is. you forget that most coaches are coaching for the guaranteed point. there is no chance that a coach in a tie game with a division rival goes for the regulation win against a division or conference rival and risks that 6pt swing. he is going to play for ot. if ot is now a 4pt swing. he is going to play for the shootout.

my view is that 3pt reg win creates more overtime. not less

 

[Blades of Steel]

sure there is. you forget that most coaches are coaching for the guaranteed point. there is no chance that a coach in a tie game with a division rival goes for the regulation win against a division or conference rival and risks that 6pt swing. he is going to play for ot. if ot is now a 4pt swing. he is going to play for the shootout.

my view is that 3pt reg win creates more overtime. not less

I'd like to see what the league standings from this year would have looked like with g00ns proposal, just out of curiosity.

however you are right, we cannot predict the influence of these games, only mirror what the results would look like from a sample. who knows how games turn out with any change to the point structure.

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

I'd like to see what the league standings from this year would have looked like with g00ns proposal, just out of curiosity.

however you are right, we cannot predict the influence of these games, only mirror what the results would look like from a sample. who knows how games turn out with any change to the point structure.

Slow Good Friday at work, so I did it.

Rank|Team|GP|ROW|REG W|OTW|SOW|PTS
1| BOSTON |82 |51 |47 |4| 3| 152
2| ANAHEIM |82 |51 |44| 7 |3 |149
3 |COLORADO |82 |47 |37| 10| 5 |136
4| ST LOUIS| 82 |43| 40| 3 |9 |135|
5 |PITTSBURGH| 82 |44 |40| 4 |7 |135
6 |SAN JOSE| 82 |41| 37| 4 |10| 129
7 |CHICAGO |82 |40 |39| 1| 6 |125|
8 |NY RANGERS| 82| 41| 39 |2 |4 |125|
9 |MONTREAL |82 |40| 33| 7 |6 |119|
10 |LOS ANGELES| 82| 38| 34 |4 |8 |118|
11| TAMPA BAY| 82 |38 |32| 6 |8 |116
12 |COLUMBUS |82 |38| 35| 3 |5 |116|
13 |PHILADELPHIA| 82| 39| 35 |4 |3 |116
14 |MINNESOTA |82| 35 |32| 3| 8 |110
15 |DALLAS |82| 36 |34| 2| 4 |110
16| NASHVILLE| 82| 36 |33| 3| 2| 107
17| DETROIT |82 |34 |30 |4 |5 |103
18 |CAROLINA| 82| 34| 30| 4| 2 |100
19 |PHOENIX| 82 |31| 28| 3| 6| 96
20| NEW JERSEY| 82 |35| 26| 9| 0| 96
21| OTTAWA| 82| 30| 27| 3| 7| 94
22 |VANCOUVER| 82| 31| 25| 6 |5| 92
23| TORONTO| 82| 29| 24| 5| 9| 91
24 |WASHINGTON| 82| 28| 24| 4| 10| 90
25 |WINNIPEG| 82| 29| 24| 5| 8| 90
26| CALGARY| 82| 28 |21 |7| 7| 84
27 |NY ISLANDERS| 82| 25| 21| 4| 9| 80
28 |EDMONTON| 82| 25| 20| 5| 4 |74
29| FLORIDA| 82| 21| 21| 0 |8| 71
30 |BUFFALO| 82 |14 |11| 3| 7 |46

 

[txpd]

we know that coaches already play for overtime. they want that point. a lot of coaches play conservative in 4 on 4 waiting for a mistake and willing to go shootout. if you make losing in regulation 3pts to nothing rather than 2pts to nothing, you only make it worse.

what you will do, however, is make the lead of the stronger teams in the standings bigger. the teams playing one goal games will play even tighter. teams that can win 4-1 will just load up more standings points.

face it, coaches will get fired for losing too many in regulation, not winning enough of the games they win in reg

 

[Capsman]

I would like it better if they left it the same and just straight took out the loser point. you get 2 if you win, 0 if you lose, doesn't matter how it was done. that is of course they leave the shoot out in the game.

So you propose playoff-type OTs?

 

[Blades of Steel]

So you propose playoff-type OTs?

I'd almost be ok with 10 mins OT after regulation 4 on 4, then we can go to shoot out just to get it over with.

I feel this would end a lot of shoot outs.

No points if you dont win , what so ever.

How would you guys feel about 10 mins in OT with a continuous clock? just for OT? of course 4v4 hockey still.

 

[Blades of Steel]

Slow Good Friday at work, so I did it.

Rank|Team|GP|ROW|REG W|OTW|SOW|PTS
1| BOSTON |82 |51 |47 |4| 3| 152
2| ANAHEIM |82 |51 |44| 7 |3 |149
3 |COLORADO |82 |47 |37| 10| 5 |136
4| ST LOUIS| 82 |43| 40| 3 |9 |135|
5 |PITTSBURGH| 82 |44 |40| 4 |7 |135
6 |SAN JOSE| 82 |41| 37| 4 |10| 129
7 |CHICAGO |82 |40 |39| 1| 6 |125|
8 |NY RANGERS| 82| 41| 39 |2 |4 |125|
9 |MONTREAL |82 |40| 33| 7 |6 |119|
10 |LOS ANGELES| 82| 38| 34 |4 |8 |118|
11| TAMPA BAY| 82 |38 |32| 6 |8 |116
12 |COLUMBUS |82 |38| 35| 3 |5 |116|
13 |PHILADELPHIA| 82| 39| 35 |4 |3 |116
14 |MINNESOTA |82| 35 |32| 3| 8 |110
15 |DALLAS |82| 36 |34| 2| 4 |110
16| NASHVILLE| 82| 36 |33| 3| 2| 107
17| DETROIT |82 |34 |30 |4 |5 |103
18 |CAROLINA| 82| 34| 30| 4| 2 |100
19 |PHOENIX| 82 |31| 28| 3| 6| 96
20| NEW JERSEY| 82 |35| 26| 9| 0| 96
21| OTTAWA| 82| 30| 27| 3| 7| 94
22 |VANCOUVER| 82| 31| 25| 6 |5| 92
23| TORONTO| 82| 29| 24| 5| 9| 91
24 |WASHINGTON| 82| 28| 24| 4| 10| 90
25 |WINNIPEG| 82| 29| 24| 5| 8| 90
26| CALGARY| 82| 28 |21 |7| 7| 84
27 |NY ISLANDERS| 82| 25| 21| 4| 9| 80
28 |EDMONTON| 82| 25| 20| 5| 4 |74
29| FLORIDA| 82| 21| 21| 0 |8| 71
30 |BUFFALO| 82 |14 |11| 3| 7 |46

Good work, I see the top 10 has very little shuffling.. then I see we go from 17th to 24th. That's more realistic to me on how our team performed.

 

[txpd]

I'd almost be ok with 10 mins OT after regulation 4 on 4, then we can go to shoot out just to get it over with.

I feel this would end a lot of shoot outs.

No points if you dont win , what so ever.

How would you guys feel about 10 mins in OT with a continuous clock? just for OT? of course 4v4 hockey still.

5 minutes of ot they don't resurface the ice. for 10 they will have to. the reason they chose 5 and then the shootout if for time. travel schedule and tv schedule.

 

[Blades of Steel]

5 minutes of ot they don't resurface the ice. for 10 they will have to. the reason they chose 5 and then the shootout if for time. travel schedule and tv schedule.

Right, that's why I was wondering how a clock running non stop for 10 min would work, it would be close to the same as 5 min, and wouldn't need resurfacing. I feel like it would create some urgency for a win, especially when you don't get any points for a loss.. but maybe not, maybe they will just got to the shootout content as usual.

 

[blokeyhighlander]

That 3, 2, 1 points system with the loser getting nothing would produce some really exciting hockey. I'm not a fan of games being worth a different amount of points, but it would be entertaining. I really doubt the current points system goes away, though. It

1) Keeps teams in the playoffs "hunt" longer, which = more ticket sales and tv ratings.

2) Loser point gives fans a consolation prize so they don't feel like they completely wasted their time watching a game.

3) Shootouts frequently produce highlight reel moments.

4) Produces high dramatics in OT/shootout.

 

[Blades of Steel]

That 3, 2, 1 points system with the loser getting nothing would produce some really exciting hockey. I'm not a fan of games being worth a different amount of points, but it would be entertaining. I really doubt the current points system goes away, though. It

1) Keeps teams in the playoffs "hunt" longer, which = more ticket sales and tv ratings.

2) Loser point gives fans a consolation prize so they don't feel like they completely wasted their time watching a game.

3) Shootouts frequently produce highlight reel moments.

4) Produces high dramatics in OT/shootout.

man you're right.. never looked at it that way but its true. for the average fan thats what they need to stay hooked on the sport.. us here not so much. anyway it gets really old going to the shootout 20 times in a season, that's the problem. if we only went 4 or 5 times It wouldn't be so bad..

 

[txpd]

Right, that's why I was wondering how a clock running non stop for 10 min would work, it would be close to the same as 5 min, and wouldn't need resurfacing. I feel like it would create some urgency for a win, especially when you don't get any points for a loss.. but maybe not, maybe they will just got to the shootout content as usual.

do you really want to see the final minute of OT with a continuous clock?

how would playing a continuous clock create urgency for a win in a league where most teams play defense first? pucks would just get hung up in the corner. iced. the net would get knocked off. it would be stall city.

again...the league is a defense first league. the priority is to not give up a goal. not to score one. the closer you get to assigning the game's standings points the more conservative they will get.

 

[txpd]

That 3, 2, 1 points system with the loser getting nothing would produce some really exciting hockey.

I am curious as to how 3pts for a regulation win would make for exciting hockey?

Do you honestly think that coaches are going to go all in to get the win unless its late in the season and they sit outside the playoffs?

 

[blokeyhighlander]

I am curious as to how 3pts for a regulation win would make for exciting hockey?

Do you honestly think that coaches are going to go all in to get the win unless its late in the season and they sit outside the playoffs?

The math says they should, at least against teams that don't compete for the same playoffs "pie."

It's a risk/reward scenario in which the loss outcome is always 0 and the reward outcome goes down the longer you wait. It works like those bar trivia games that take away points the longer it takes to give a correct answer, except there wouldn't be any hints...

I don't want that points system, just thought it was interesting.