GDT: Carolina @ Montréal - More Infighting from the Facebook Crowd

[A Star is Burns]

At least if Ward has a rough time getting up to speed in the regular season some of the chatter will be warranted. And those threads are gold looking back after the backups blow the season down the tubes.

At least we seem like we might have somebody capable of spelling him if he has any prolonged bad stretches. I also think similar to his slow start last year we might be able to tread water if something similar happens due to a solid offense.

 

[geehaad]

Seems to me the Bruins like "weiner measuring". And this team doesn't.

How does the scoreboard between the two teams look year after year?

I'm surprised everyone let this go.

The Hurricanes have won 5 and lost 2 against the Bruins in the past 2 seasons. Two seasons ago, the Bruins attempted to physically beat down the Hurricanes and the result was they got swept by the Hurricanes/Whalers franchise for the first time in team history.

Your main point was quoted as saying "ouch...please tell that guy to not speak for me anymore".

 

[Anton Babchuk]

I'm surprised everyone let this go.

The Hurricanes have won 5 and last 2 against the Bruins in the past 2 seasons. Two seasons ago, the Bruins attempted to physically beat down the Hurricanes and the result was they got swept by the Hurricanes/Whalers franchise for the first time in team history.

Your main point was quoted as saying "ouch...please tell that guy to not speak for me anymore".

They also won a playoff series against the Bruins, which had a lot to do with the Bruins big, "tough" D being unable to move the puck. Of course we did them a big favor, taking Ward off their hands and they ended up acquiring Seidenberg, one of the much-maligned "puckmovers" that we had to get rid of to add grit The rest is history.

You know, now that I think about it, our D looks a lot like the Bruins' D that year. Only instead of Chara we have Tim Gleason. Yay.

 

[Mr America]

I'm surprised everyone let this go.

The Hurricanes have won 5 and lost 2 against the Bruins in the past 2 seasons. Two seasons ago, the Bruins attempted to physically beat down the Hurricanes and the result was they got swept by the Hurricanes/Whalers franchise for the first time in team history.

Your main point was quoted as saying "ouch...please tell that guy to not speak for me anymore".

You're right, clearly the Hurricanes were a far superior team to the Bruins over the last two seasons.

 

[geehaad]

You're right, clearly the Hurricanes were a far superior team to the Bruins over the last two seasons.

I just don't think we've found our cause-effect relationship yet.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

I just don't think we've found our cause-effect relationship yet.

No, not even close. Arguing with this FrankBooth fellow is worthless, when he's already decided that the Bruins win games because they're tough.

The Bruins are ridiculously deep and are good because they have *good hockey players.*

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

No, not even close. Arguing with this FrankBooth fellow is worthless, when he's already decided that the Bruins win games because they're tough.

The Bruins are ridiculously deep and are good because they have *good hockey players.*

I think you are both right. I have highlighted 2 things in your post. Neither of which the Canes have. But let's be clear: you need BOTH hockey talent and a certain level of hockey toughness to compete. We have 7 or 8 talented players on the entire roster and we are paper soft. Not a combination.

I also need to mention our #1 goalie is aging rapidly and is already on the backside of his career with NO future replacement anywhere in sight. Good thing we passed on Fucale in a desperate effort to land franchise savior Sekera.

 

[Anton Babchuk]

Last year the Bruins had at least ten regulars in their lineup who would be described as "soft" if the Hurricanes had them. They even had a 5'9" offensive defenseman getting a regular shift in the playoffs, which is somehow acceptable for Frank Booth's ultra-tough Bruins but not for the Hurricanes because MURPHY SHOULD BE A FORWARD HURRRRRR.

 

[tarheelhockey]

What the Bruins have is depth. They roll 4 lines that can either score on you or beat you in the corners. Yeah they like to play the physical game, but they are not a team of useless grinders. The Hurricanes regularly roll out 5 or 6 guys who are borderline NHL'ers or worse.

 

[Frank Booth239*]

I'm surprised everyone let this go.

The Hurricanes have won 5 and lost 2 against the Bruins in the past 2 seasons. Two seasons ago, the Bruins attempted to physically beat down the Hurricanes and the result was they got swept by the Hurricanes/Whalers franchise for the first time in team history.

Your main point was quoted as saying "ouch...please tell that guy to not speak for me anymore".

Yeah, I remember the beatdown game- it was a ****ing embarassment to be a fan as the Canes, including Gleason were ragdolled all over the ice so bad that they played the entire 3rd period at 5 on 3 and managed only one goal, and still barely won the game. Despite the sweep, I didn't notice them in the playoffs with the B's...

And as far as the awesome playoff win over the Bruins- they didn't seem to take seriously a team that they had swept in the regular season, and once they started to and were taking control of the series it took Scotty Walker knocking the piss out of Aaron Ward to shift back the momentum,which I've heard some folks here cry about before, when it was totally the type of thing this team was lacking.


The Bruins have very skilled players- and so do the Canes. The differance is that 75% of the Canes play as weak as my grandmother's period- and that's why you see the Bruins dominate in the regular season. IDK if that is an organizational defect, or if they just pick players they know are soft.

But go ahead and keep being a fanboy of 5'7" players who get smoked coming up the ice and can't defend. This isn't a league for pansies, as Toronto demonstrated to Buffalo last night, another team at is regularly humiliated because of their weakness.

I've got your "HURRRRR" right here, Amaxing.

 

[bb99]

When keepin' it real goes wrong Canes style.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

Yeah, I remember the beatdown game- it was a ****ing embarassment to be a fan as the Canes, including Gleason were ragdolled all over the ice so bad that they played the entire 3rd period at 5 on 3 and managed only one goal, and still barely won the game. Despite the sweep, I didn't notice them in the playoffs with the B's...

And as far as the awesome playoff win over the Bruins- they didn't seem to take seriously a team that they had swept in the regular season, and once they started to and were taking control of the series it took Scotty Walker knocking the piss out of Aaron Ward to shift back the momentum,which I've heard some folks here cry about before, when it was totally the type of thing this team was lacking.


The Bruins have very skilled players- and so do the Canes. The differance is that 75% of the Canes play as weak as my grandmother's period- and that's why you see the Bruins dominate in the regular season. IDK if that is an organizational defect, or if they just pick players they know are soft.

But go ahead and keep being a fanboy of 5'7" players who get smoked coming up the ice and can't defend. This isn't a league for pansies, as Toronto demonstrated to Buffalo last night, another team at is regularly humiliated because of their weakness.

I've got your "HURRRRR" right here, Amaxing.

Ahh yes, the inane ramblings of a teenager. Or, perhaps the guy that sits a few rows ahead of me in 121 that always screams about Pitkanen, even when he's not in the lineup.

Regardless, I am not surprised. Keep thinking that beating people up will get you anywhere in life, be it in the NHL or elsewhere.

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

I'm not getting in this pissing match, but what he is saying is that the Canes are easy to play against. That cannot be argued as the coach said the same thing.

But being "tough" doesn't mean fighting either. But it means fighting when the time is right as well as defending your stars when needed. Maybe Skinner won't get leveled when he has his head down next time if there is a beatdown coming if you do.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

I'm not getting in this pissing match, but what he is saying is that the Canes are easy to play against. That cannot be argued as the coach said the same thing.

But being "tough" doesn't mean fighting either. But it means fighting when the time is right as well as defending your stars when needed. Maybe Skinner won't get leveled when he has his head down next time if there is a beatdown coming if you do.

He was right about the Bruins game, it WAS embarrassing. To the Bruins. To not have the intelligence to see that, after a few Canes decided not to engage after being provoked, further attempts would produce the same result. As I recall, even Jack ****ing Edwards was shaking his head at the Bruins inability to switch tactics.

You're right, though. The Canes are fairly easy to play against. Some of the additions this offseason will add a little more grit, and that's enough. You win games by scoring more goals than you allow, and as long as you're determined enough to fight thru whatever the opposition throws at you, that is more than enough to succeed.

In reference to Skinner....I'm not sure any amount of perceived toughness would have prevented Brooks Orpik or Jared Cowen from laying out Skinner. They're both big boys and not afraid to fight. Skinner just needs to keep his head up. Period.

 

[Anton Babchuk]

Fighting doesn't stop cheapshots, or clean hits in the case of Jeff Skinner's concussions. Total nonsense, anyone pushing this idea doesn't pay attention to any other team and lives with some romanticized vision of the Carolina Hurricanes where Jeffrey can just skate around staring at the puck and not expect to get leveled. Nathan Horton played for the big bad Bruins and missed how many games from multiple concussions?

Dan Murphy ‏@sportsnetmurph 4h
Kassian on #oilers picking up MacIntyre as a deterrent, "Perfect. I don't think he can skate, that's the last thing on our mind."

That's what hockey players think of a potential beatdown.

 

[bleedgreen]

Yeah, we're generally a bunch of fairies out there and it has nothing to do with needing a goon. We tend to lack grit and toughness throughout the lineup.

It's not needed as a deterant. I don't think that works. It's needed to push back when pushed. To not be knocked out or intimidated in games. People aren't afraid to smack us around, and hockey is a tough game.

 

[Frank Booth239*]

Yeah, we're generally a bunch of fairies out there and it has nothing to do with needing a goon. We tend to lack grit and toughness throughout the lineup.

It's not needed as a deterant. I don't think that works. It's needed to push back when pushed. To not be knocked out or intimidated in games. People aren't afraid to smack us around, and hockey is a tough game.

This is what I'm saying. I'm not saying we need another goon. Adding Westgarth, I feel was necessary merely because every other team out there has a designated heavyweight, and when the time comes for a fight we can't have Gleason sitting out for 5 minutes each time.

I'm saying there needs to be instilled a culture of toughness, and maybe some meanness, amongst all of the Hurricanes. This is what the Bruins have. This is what the Kings have. This is what the Rangers have.

I think this gets done by both an organizational and coaching commitment to holding players accountable for this ethos, and by, when you have the choice between several skilled players at the draft, you grab the one that is bigger and tougher, rather than the one who is 5'8" but maybe is a bit quicker and is all over stickhandling.

Let's face it- the current system is broken. And thinking that it is going to suddenly cut it in the Metropolitan Division is madness. Just wait.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

That Bruins game was hilarious. Bruins completely lost their **** and it wound up costing them the game.

I'm pretty sure the Canes have lost games in the same way, without the "team toughness" factor.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Well titled thread.

 

[Anton Babchuk]

Well titled thread.

The fact that we can all manage complete sentences and nobody has complained about Air Canada's logo being on the ice puts us a tier above the Facebook crowd, in my opinion.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

One of us has to challenge another to meet in front of a strip club to bareknuckle brawl before we reach the Facebook crowd.

Not even joking...

 

[Sens1Canes2]

One of us has to challenge another to meet in front of a strip club to bareknuckle brawl before we reach the Facebook crowd.

Not even joking...

Ok THAT has to be the guy who sits in front of me.

 

[Guy]

LOL @ complaints about the Air Canada logo.

 

[Frank Booth239*]

One of us has to challenge another to meet in front of a strip club to bareknuckle brawl before we reach the Facebook crowd.

Not even joking...

IIRC, it was the parking lot of a Food Lion. Which earned the challenger all kinds of ridicule in and of itself.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking of.

Now if only I could remember how that conversation started.