GDT: Carolina @ Columbus: "BB is in a sour mood" edition

[tarheelhockey]

Brindy was traded from Philadelphia because of rumored personal reasons I can't post without breaking this sites libel rules. Google it.

Wasn't Shanahan traded a lot on account of him being a massive ******?

Even taking account the off ice drama, none of these players were untouchable. They were fine players but not superstars, much like Duchene.

 

[Roboturner913]

Is Matt Duchene equal to Brendan Shanahan, then? Or Rod Brind'Amour?

No, but neither is Hanifin equal to Pronger at the 19-year-old stage of their respective careers.

Duchene is a very good player. He ain't no Brind'Amour but how many are? He'd immediately be our best forward, with the possible exception of Skinner, but Duchene's been playing a complete two-way 60 point game for like 7 years and is still only 26 years old while Skinner is just now figuring that out.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Brindy was traded from Philadelphia because of rumored personal reasons I can't post without breaking this sites libel rules. Google it.

well...

i couldve gone without knowing that

what a guy

 

[Roboturner913]

I figured everybody already knew about that. I like the folding chair rumor myself. +1000 respect points to Rod

 

[The Faulker 27]

There's no validity to the story though. That's all it's ever been is rumors.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

No, but neither is Hanifin equal to Pronger at the 19-year-old stage of their respective careers.

If by "not the equal of Pronger" you mean "not getting arrested for bar fights or drunk driving and convincing the org he's a head case," then yes, you're right, he's not.

If you mean "not six foot six" then you're also right.

But Pronger had 5 goals and 25 assists in his 19-year-old rookie season, and Hanifin had 4 goals and 18 assists in his. Don't pretend that Chris Pronger was CHRIS PRONGER yet. He wasn't, because otherwise, they wouldn't have traded him.

 

[Roboturner913]

There's no validity to the story though. That's all it's ever been is rumors.

This is post-fact America, whatever I choose to believe is the "truth"

 

[garnetpalmetto]

Hanifins problems aren't do to lack of awareness, one of his best qualities is his hockey IQ some thing most scouts and former coaches would agree with .,, what his issues can be completely attributed to is a lack in confidence..... You can see it in his body language .... I said it over a month ago,the front office is not helping him with the revolving door of AHL partners, something Peters mentioned in an interview ..... Hopefully they figure it out before its to late..

When's the last time Hanifin has had a partner other than Matt Tennyson?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

When's the last time Hanifin has had a partner other than Matt Tennyson?

After Tennyson had a bad game, they rotated Dhalbeck and/or Murphy in for a couple of games. I think it was early January..so only a couple weeks ago.

But other than that, it's been Tennyson pretty steadily.

 

[Roboturner913]

It's funny how quick people are to blame a team when their favorite prospects are something less than 100% perfect. Look at the Tolchinsky thread on the prospect board, it's a damn train wreck.

Dahlbeck and Tennyson are definitely NHL players. Perhaps not Murphy though.

 

[The Faulker 27]

This is post-fact America, whatever I choose to believe is the "truth"

America has never cared about facts.

 

[DaveG]

It's funny how quick people are to blame a team when their favorite prospects are something less than 100% perfect. Look at the Tolchinsky thread on the prospect board, it's a damn train wreck.

Dahlbeck and Tennyson are definitely NHL players. Perhaps not Murphy though.

They're NHL players, but they're #7s on the type of team we're trying to become. I still think the biggest issues with Hanifin this year is that we weren't able to bring back Liles or another player of his caliber.

 

[BrindAmours Army]

That sports club stats website is really odd to me. How do the Hurricanes odds drop almost 10% overnight in a weighted system that takes team record and home ice advantage into account? This should have been chalked up as a loss in like 80% of the simulations.

Because we weren't the only game last night.

 

[GoldiFox]

When's the last time Hanifin has had a partner other than Matt Tennyson?

Hanifin would have Justin Faulk as a partner if he was good enough to play a 2nd pairing role. As long as he is 3rd pairing calibre he will continue to get 3rd pairing partners.

 

[NotOpie]

Hanifin would have Justin Faulk as a partner if he was good enough to play a 2nd pairing role. As long as he is 3rd pairing calibre he will continue to get 3rd pairing partners.

I think the point that was being made was that 2 out of Hanifin's 3 primary partners weren't even #6 caliber defensemen. Tennyson seems to have settled in to a borderline #6, but Dahlbeck and Murphy, not so much.

 

[geehaad]

The team is sheltering Hanifin, not throwing him into the fires that Faulk is needed for. This is for the purpose of development.

 

[DaveG]

Well, that and for not having a 3rd pairing that's a dumpster fire of (Hainsey/Dahlbeck) - (Tennyson/Murphy)

 

[HisIceness]

Brindy was traded from Philadelphia because of rumored personal reasons I can't post without breaking this sites libel rules. Google it.

Wasn't Shanahan traded a lot on account of him being a massive ******?

Huh, I did not know that regarding Brind'Amour. Learn something new everyday.

 

[Roboturner913]

Who knows if any of it is true. It does seem like one of those things that gets repeated so often that people just tend to accept it as truth. Such is the internet rumor mill business.

Having said that, it does seem like something Lindros would do, and so many people hate/hated Lindros anyway, and the notion of Brindy beating the **** out of him with a folding chair WWF-style is so amazing that the story just sort of writes itself.

 

[bleedgreen]

There's always been a lot of smoke around that story. Pretty sure that one's true.

Coincidentally Shanny has an interesting story himself. Not always the greatest team mate was he, and that one is absolutely true.

 

[The Faulker 27]

Huh, I did not know that regarding Brind'Amour. Learn something new everyday.

This is how rumors get propagated.

 

[Joe McGrath]

In terms of on ice play, Hanifin and Pronger at 19 were very similar. They were/are underwhelming for their draft position. But they're 19, when 98% of NHL defenseman are still in juniors or college.

I don't think he turns into a Chris Pronger, that's not his mold. His tools make him a threat to be a big Scott Neidermeyer. The question becomes does he have that type of elite hockey IQ to use them to their fullest advantage. A lot of high hockey IQ guys in the lower levels come up and we find out it's not quite the same at the NHL level, at NHL speeds. So far that's what Hanifin has looked like to me. And that shouldn't surprise anyone. Just because the rare player or two can do it at 18/19 doesn't mean others who will become elite someday will.

Hedman is the most obvious recent example. He really didn't look like much until his 21y/o season and then at 22 he really broke out.

 

[MinJaBen]

They're NHL players, but they're #7s on the type of team we're trying to become. I still think the biggest issues with Hanifin this year is that we weren't able to bring back Liles or another player of his caliber.

I don't think this is true. Do you remember the bottom pairings on the most recent Cup winners? They were liabilities and hardly played. We probably have a significantly more effective bottom pairing than either Pittsburgh or Chicago had when they won their Cups.

And that may be the root of our problem. Winning teams don't leave good resources in the bottom pairings. They roll out their top two pairings at higher and higher rates and they use those resources we have locked up in the bottom pairing to have better top nine forward groups.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I don't think this is true. Do you remember the bottom pairings on the most recent Cup winners? They were liabilities and hardly played. We probably have a significantly more effective bottom pairing than either Pittsburgh or Chicago had when they won their Cups.

And that may be the root of our problem. Winning teams don't leave good resources in the bottom pairings. They roll out their top two pairings at higher and higher rates and they use those resources we have locked up in the bottom pairing to have better top nine forward groups.

I think a lot of it is because of salary cap reasons than it is because they want to roll out their top 4 more. When you have gobs of $38M locked up in Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, Letang and Fleury, you aren't going to get much in the way of defensive depth. Same goes for Chicago with $38M in Kane, Towes, Seabrook, Keith and Crawford.

Your point still stands though.

 

[Joe McGrath]

I don't think this is true. Do you remember the bottom pairings on the most recent Cup winners? They were liabilities and hardly played. We probably have a significantly more effective bottom pairing than either Pittsburgh or Chicago had when they won their Cups.

And that may be the root of our problem. Winning teams don't leave good resources in the bottom pairings. They roll out their top two pairings at higher and higher rates and they use those resources we have locked up in the bottom pairing to have better top nine forward groups.

Pittsbugh and Chicago have Crosby/Malkin and Kane/Toewes.

The Canes don't have, and aren't going to get anyone who can tie those guys laces. Not really a fair comparison.