Capitals Trade Block

Discussion in 'HFNHL Talk' started by Vagrant, Mar 24, 2011.

  1. Vagrant

    Vagrant The Czech Condor

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2002
    Messages:
    22,278
    Likes Received:
    2,584
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Location:
    North Carolina
    Home Page:
    Todd Bertuzzi - Valuable playoff performer with a great rating and autosign ability after the season for very cheap.

    Radim Vrbata - On pace for 50 points and ratings increase. Could be a late bloomer.

    Roman Hamrlik - Strong minutes eater with decent puck moving.


    All players available for pick/prospect combinations depending upon what is offered.

    Thanks!
     
  2. Ohio Jones

    Ohio Jones Game on...

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2002
    Messages:
    7,892
    Likes Received:
    32
    Trophy Points:
    146
    Location:
    Great White North
    Not to hijack, but I'm afraid you can't use auto-sign to re-sign a pending FA for less than they're making in the HFNHL, so Bertuzzi won't be eligible to re-sign for anything less than His current $4.9 million. However, unless someone extends him for that figure, he'll be available as an FA for whatever our market will bear. (Assuming he doesn't retire, that is)
     
  3. Canuck09

    Canuck09 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2004
    Messages:
    1,784
    Likes Received:
    36
    Trophy Points:
    101
    Location:
    Vancouver
    And to take it a step further...didn't Nick (I think it was Nick) say that we may not be able to use auto-sign at all for players that we acquire at the deadline? That unless a player was with you all year auto-sign might not be an option? Or was that just something that's being toyed with for next year?
     
  4. Vagrant

    Vagrant The Czech Condor

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2002
    Messages:
    22,278
    Likes Received:
    2,584
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Location:
    North Carolina
    Home Page:
    So Bertuzzi wouldn't negotiate at under his current HFNHL cap hit despite his NHL cap hit being.... minuscule in comparison? I do understand the autosign part, and thank you, but that does seem a bit odd that he wouldn't negotiate to market value.
     
  5. Ohio Jones

    Ohio Jones Game on...

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2002
    Messages:
    7,892
    Likes Received:
    32
    Trophy Points:
    146
    Location:
    Great White North
    It's the flip-side if auto-sign: pending FAs are less likely to negotiate down, and will usually wait for free agency instead. It does happen, though, and his current team could try (that would be you, Josh), but a team he was just traded to would have basically no chance of getting him to sign at under his current HFNHL deal prior to July 1st - no loyalty incentive on his part.
     
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2011
  6. Dr.Sens(e)

    Dr.Sens(e) Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2002
    Messages:
    7,014
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Ottawa
    Home Page:
    Douglas is correct. Teams need to realize that when they trade for a player with an inflated salary (relative to their NHL wage), matching that salary going forward is the only way to guarantee you keep them. This doesn't mean you can't re-sign the player for less of course, but it will be during UFA period where the current team will get a form of loyalty if their offer is at least very close to the best.

    The few exceptions for this in past have simply been circumstances where the offer - while less than their current HFNHL salary - was so significantly higher than their NHL salary and what the agents felt would be the maximum attained as a UFA, that the offer gets accepted. In particular if the player has played with that team for a lengthy period.
     
  7. kasper11

    kasper11 Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2002
    Messages:
    7,668
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Location:
    New York
    Home Page:
    Seeing as how the deadline is like 5 days away, can we get a final ruling on this? I've made my feelings on auto-sign known in the past, but I really don't like after the fact rule changes. Whether or not a players is guaranteed to re-sign makes a big difference in gauging their trade value.

    If the auto-sign option isn't allowed for players acquired now, some teams are going to be pissed they over paid.
    On the other hand, if we do allow the auto-sign but don't say so now, some teams will be pissed that they undersold.
     
  8. Fooladelfia

    Fooladelfia Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2007
    Messages:
    1,843
    Likes Received:
    22
    Trophy Points:
    96
    If I can't autosign Olli Jokinen to his NHL salalry plus a signing bonus I will trade him too. I sent an offer to Swingstein...and still no reply................. Can we have a ruling on this??
     
  9. Wildman

    Wildman Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2002
    Messages:
    1,840
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Occupation:
    Accountant
    Location:
    Toronto
    Home Page:
    You cannot sign Ollie to what you are offering and we don't have signing bonus. So before you submit an offer to your agent, please read up on all aspect of offering a contract. The email did not inicate you are offering a contract but just asking if Olli will consider an offer.
     
  10. Fooladelfia

    Fooladelfia Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2007
    Messages:
    1,843
    Likes Received:
    22
    Trophy Points:
    96
    yes exactly...I was asking if he want to re-sign with us at is NHL contract?? But still waiting for the reply...if not ok...We understand that he dont want to sign for a bad team like us...
    SO JOKINEN ON THE BLOCK very simple.
     
  11. HFNHL Commish

    HFNHL Commish Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2002
    Messages:
    1,354
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    Accountant
    Location:
    Downingtown, PA
    Home Page:
    No adjustments have been made to the auto-sign for THIS season. Some adjustments were discussed, but nothing ever came of those discussions.

    The auto-sign is only in place to allow players to get equal or more money than they're already getting in the HFNHL. Only under extraordinary circumstances will a player negotiate DOWN in an auto-sign situation. And I do mean extraordinary.
     
  12. MatthewFlames

    MatthewFlames Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2003
    Messages:
    4,121
    Likes Received:
    268
    Trophy Points:
    169
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    General Manager, Calgary Flamettes
    Location:
    'Murica
    Edit - thanks Matt for clarifying.
     
  13. Fooladelfia

    Fooladelfia Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2007
    Messages:
    1,843
    Likes Received:
    22
    Trophy Points:
    96
    league of extraordinary gentlemen

    [​IMG]
     
  14. Wildman

    Wildman Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2002
    Messages:
    1,840
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Occupation:
    Accountant
    Location:
    Toronto
    Home Page:
    Since there is already a discussion in place regarding this issue than we should perhaps look at restricting salary movement to current year. This does create a problem because no one will remember what was the player actual salary after few years and GM does have advantage of matching what is under vital page.

    This year I had to dig down to find the true salary for Gonchar in order to penalize Sabres for trading Gonchar. I think it is better to get rid of this manual process and our cap is enough all the GM to be competitive.
     
  15. MatthewFlames

    MatthewFlames Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2003
    Messages:
    4,121
    Likes Received:
    268
    Trophy Points:
    169
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    General Manager, Calgary Flamettes
    Location:
    'Murica
    Wow - I look so handsome in that picture.
     
  16. kasper11

    kasper11 Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2002
    Messages:
    7,668
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Location:
    New York
    Home Page:
    Wait, so we can still trade for and auto-sign players in June this year? Or were you referring to this season as until the end of the playoffs and that change goes into effect starting during the offseason?
     
  17. Fooladelfia

    Fooladelfia Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2007
    Messages:
    1,843
    Likes Received:
    22
    Trophy Points:
    96
    Yes MAtt your a nice invisible men.....but I do look handsome with my sword............
     
  18. Dr.Sens(e)

    Dr.Sens(e) Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2002
    Messages:
    7,014
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Ottawa
    Home Page:
    We definitely have said at the beginning of the year that we would remove this auto-sign post-season. So you can't just trade for a guy a week before July 1st and utitlize auto-sign. It basically destroying the majority of our UFA process last season and the complains were plenty.

    The idea of restricting this to those traded pre-deadline was discussed and makes perfect sense, but if Matt has said it doesn't apply for this season, that is fair. Might be a bit late given the understanding is not clear.
     
  19. HFNHL Commish

    HFNHL Commish Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2002
    Messages:
    1,354
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    Accountant
    Location:
    Downingtown, PA
    Home Page:
    Forgive the oversight - I believe we did make some sort of pronouncement regarding players acquired after a given date. June 1st, I believe. Been sitting at the pediatrician's office all day, though, so I can't find the exact message...
     
  20. Ohio Jones

    Ohio Jones Game on...

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2002
    Messages:
    7,892
    Likes Received:
    32
    Trophy Points:
    146
    Location:
    Great White North
    Hopefully he'll give you a lolly when you're done!

    Kidding, hope everyone's doing okay.
     

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"