Cap space compared to other teams

[Rand0m]

I'm getting annoyed with all the budget talk. People seem to assume that it's easy to trade for a superstar or that any FA is willing to sign with Ottawa as long as lots of money is thrown their way.

Now, looking at other cap situations around the league, there's at least 5-6 teams that spend more (often way more) than the Sens and yet they're in a worse situation (both currently and in the future) than the Sens.

Some that come to mind:
Philadelphia
Toronto
Carolina
New Jersey
Minnesota

There's also a few other teams who have great pieces (but aren't doing so well right now) but they're already spending so much that it's really hard for them to fix their problems (most often it's defence):
Dallas
Colorado

Most of the teams I mentioned first look bad now and from what I can tell, their future doesn't look great either (long expensive contracts, very few good prospects, no star players, too old...)

This team is setting itself up for a great future, there's solid prospect depth in the system, there's a number of young players that just made the jump to the NHL and are gaining great experience. They literally have a ton of cap space to re-sign pretty much all their players to their next non-ELC contracts.

Obviously, there's a few key areas where this team can improve. The good thing is with the cap space available and the prospects they currently have, they do have the opportunity to make trades to try and turn this team into a contender, they just need to patient and wait for the right opportunities (eg: the Turris, Anderson and Ryan trades).

So those complaining about the "budget", would you rather swap this lineup and cap with Toronto, Philly, New Jersey... ??

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[YouGotAStuGoing]

As has been brought up every time this line of thinking is discussed: spending doesn't guarantee success. But to be successful (Chicago, Los Angeles, Detroit, Anaheim,) you have to spend.

 

[Rand0m]

As has been brought up every time this line of thinking is discussed: spending doesn't guarantee success. But to be successful (Chicago, Los Angeles, Detroit, Anaheim,) you have to spend.

but look at how much these teams are spending?

LA is 13th
CHI 15th
DET 16th
ANA 23rd...

 

[starling]

I'd be happy to spend more on Turris, Karlsson and Da Costa and not spend anything on Legwand, Greening, Michalek and Smith. So yeah, I think we are spending too much and good luck with signing all those available 70-pt UFAs.

 

[Rand0m]

I'd be happy to spend more on Turris and Karlsson and not spend anything on Legwand, Greening and Smith. So yeah, I thinkg we are spending too much.

Now imagine if you had 5-6 bad contracts like a lot of teams have...

 

[Push540]

I'm getting annoyed with all the budget talk. People seem to assume that it's easy to trade for a superstar or that any FA is willing to sign with Ottawa as long as lots of money is thrown their way.

Now, looking at other cap situations around the league, there's at least 5-6 teams that spend more (often way more) than the Sens and yet they're in a worse situation (both currently and in the future) than the Sens.

Some that come to mind:
Philadelphia
Toronto
Carolina
New Jersey
Minnesota

There's also a few other teams who have great pieces (but aren't doing so well right now) but they're already spending so much that it's really hard for them to fix their problems (most often it's defence):
Dallas
Colorado

Most of the teams I mentioned first look bad now and from what I can tell, their future doesn't look great either (long expensive contracts, very few good prospects, no star players, too old...)

This team is setting itself up for a great future, there's solid prospect depth in the system, there's a number of young players that just made the jump to the NHL and are gaining great experience. They literally have a ton of cap space to re-sign pretty much all their players to their next non-ELC contracts.

Obviously, there's a few key areas where this team can improve. The good thing is with the cap space available and the prospects they currently have, they do have the opportunity to make trades to try and turn this team into a contender, they just need to patient and wait for the right opportunities (eg: the Turris, Anderson and Ryan trades).

So those complaining about the "budget", would you rather swap this lineup and cap with Toronto, Philly, New Jersey... ??

No need to talk "cap space". Why not just spend a few bucks to replace the talent we lost in the last couple of years, say 2 players. We spend the least in the league. What consistent playoff team does that?

 

[starling]

No need to talk "cap space". Why not just spend a few bucks to replace the talent we lost in the last couple of years, say 2 players. We spend the least in the league. What consistent playoff team does that?

Like who? Legwand and Bertuzzi?

 

[Push540]

but look at how much these teams are spending?

LA is 13th
CHI 15th
DET 16th
ANA 23rd...

Yeah, none of them are 30th and 3 of the 4 are 15 places away. They might as well be Fortune 500 companies and we might as well be selling frozen banana's on a boardwalk.

 

[Rand0m]

No need to talk "cap space". Why not just spend a few bucks to replace the talent we lost in the last couple of years, say 2 players. We spend the least in the league. What consistent playoff team does that?

Ok, where do you find these players? How much do you pay them? Looking at the FA frenzy every year, the only times the contracts look good is when a player takes less to go to an imminent contender.

Year after year you hear about these ridiculous contracts getting handed out. They almost never work out. Minnie went after Parise and Suter that one summer, where has this gotten them? What bout Clarkson, Orpik, Andy MacDonald, Bolland, Pouliot...

Clearly the good FA deals are few and far between (Ehrhoff, Stastny...) and often the players took a discount to go to a top contender.

That leaves you with trades. Other teams don't want to trade good players for crap (Greening, Smith...) so unless a player wants out of another team (Turris and I think to some extent Ryan), it's really hard to acquire good impact players without sending some good pieces the other way.

 

[HSF]

all those teams drafted and traded for all their star talent THEN they spent money

if you want to spend 5mill on Pouliot just to say you spending then there is no hope

 

[dumbdick]

Youre conflating spending with management decisions

 

[HSF]

No need to talk "cap space". Why not just spend a few bucks to replace the talent we lost in the last couple of years, say 2 players. We spend the least in the league. What consistent playoff team does that?

who can you get that replaces Spezza and Alfie?


It really isn't that hard to understand that there aren't stars just waiting for ottawa to spend money on them

We spent money on Ryan and Karlsson and I am sure we are willing to spend money on a Stamkos but those guys aren't avaliable

 

[tony d]

I don't think we should spend spend spend but if the team has a need that got to be filled you'd like to think the team would be willing to spend money to get that player here.

 

[DrunkUncleDenis]

Yeah, none of them are 30th and 3 of the 4 are 15 places away. They might as well be Fortune 500 companies and we might as well be selling frozen banana's on a boardwalk.

Ya, but remember..

 

[operasen]

No need to talk "cap space". Why not just spend a few bucks to replace the talent we lost in the last couple of years, say 2 players. We spend the least in the league. What consistent playoff team does that?

But that will change next year when we have to sign Hoffman, Stone, Chiasson, Pageau, Prince, Condra, Zibanejad, Grant, Claesson, maybe DaCosta, etc either as RFA or UFA.

And that's a ton of work Murray or his replacement has to accomplish to keep the ship stable.

 

[Boud]

But that will change next year when we have to sign Hoffman, Stone, Chiasson, Pageau, Prince, Condra, Zibanejad, Grant, Claesson, maybe DaCosta, etc either as RFA or UFA.

And that's a ton of work Murray or his replacement has to accomplish to keep the ship stable.

Yep and we are already commited to 55M next season and that's without signing Methot,Zibby,Stone,Hoffman,Pageau,Chiasson like you said.

Even if we don't resign Methot our cap should go up by atleast 8M which would bring us to 63M and it was already said that Murray was willing to give 4,6 to Methot so if he does sign a defensemen around 4M we should be near the 68M mark . One could argue that we may be able to get of some players off the cap like Michalek, Smith, Neil, Phillips, Greening, Legwand but good luck with that.

 

[Push540]

Ya, but remember..

I was hoping someone would get it! Why couldn't Gob just mail the insurance cheque?

But that will change next year when we have to sign Hoffman, Stone, Chiasson, Pageau, Prince, Condra, Zibanejad, Grant, Claesson, maybe DaCosta, etc either as RFA or UFA.

And that's a ton of work Murray or his replacement has to accomplish to keep the ship stable.

Don't only half of those players need to play in Ottawa? I'm not trying to be a downer but some of those names should be on the back of milk cartons.

Also, I can't imagine, signing some/ most of those players will put us above 15th in spending.

 

[Back in Black]

Now imagine at the trade deadline your almost/or, are a playoff team and you pick up a Rent-A-Player and suddenly you are contender.

It's not like we've not given away picks before, and we are in the same boat for 7 years now!

 

[Clamshells]

No need to talk "cap space". Why not just spend a few bucks to replace the talent we lost in the last couple of years, say 2 players. We spend the least in the league. What consistent playoff team does that?

It would be real nice if we could just sign guys like Parise and Suter when they go UFA, but in the real world, not every player wants to play for Ottawa. Sometimes there just isn't a big signing to be made.

On teams like LA, CHI, DET, ANA, who are the major players they signed as UFAs anyways? Looks to me like those are all teams that benefitted from great drafting and trades.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Ya, but remember..

Dont make them like this these days, classic!

 

[BonkTastic]

but look at how much these teams are spending?

LA is 13th
CHI 15th
DET 16th
ANA 23rd...

Actual numbers: (<--- psst, this is a link to capgeek via webarchive, so all figures are accurate as of Jan 5th)

CHI: $70mil
LA: $69mil
DET: $64mil
ANA: $62mil

OTT: $55.8mil.

(all figures rounded to within $100k)

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Dont make them like this these days, classic!

OT but I read that CBC's new show, Schitt's Creek is actually quite good and the premise is very similar to Arrested Development

Plus Eugene Levy is awesome

 

[dingbatz]

Actual numbers: (<--- psst, this is a link to capgeek via webarchive, so all figures are accurate as of Jan 5th)

CHI: $70mil
LA: $69mil
DET: $64mil
ANA: $62mil

OTT: $55.8mil.

(all figures rounded to within $100k)

"So those complaining about the "budget", would you rather swap this lineup and cap with Chicago, LA, Detroit, Anaheim, Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Vancouver, Islanders, Rangers, Washington... ??"

 

[Back in Black]

"So those complaining about the "budget", would you rather swap this lineup and cap with Chicago, LA, Detroit, Anaheim, Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Vancouver, Islanders, Rangers, Washington... ??"

Ya, I'd swap with most of those teams if it means were a contender like them.......

 

[stempniaksen]

"So those complaining about the "budget", would you rather swap this lineup and cap with Chicago, LA, Detroit, Anaheim, Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Vancouver, Islanders, Rangers, Washington... ??"

Is that a serious question? Of course I would switch with most of those teams, those are some of the top teams in the league...