Confirmed with Link: Canucks to induct G Roberto Luongo into Ring of Honour on Dec 14 vs. FLA

[ziploc]

Greatest Canucks goalie of all time, and I love McLean.

Also, there is almost no way the Canucks org - in combination with Luongo's edgy sense of humour - isn't going to turn this into a gong show somehow.

 

[Aphid Attraction]

Another chance for Kesler to get some airtime and get into the fan bases good books.

 

[mossey3535]

Bobby Lu, one of my all-time favourite goalies. Loved that he kept battling throughout his career even though he eventually found himself on the wrong side of the technical curve.

 

[PavelBure10]

Wow this is a tough one. With some of the other names honored on banners above Roger's place, you would think Luongo deserves to be there amongst Vancouver's all time best players. Luongo pretty much holds all of the Canucks goaltending records, which alone could warrant Luongo getting his #1 retired. Most wins and most shutouts most in team history.
Luongo was consistently among the best in the league at his position, especially his first few years in Vancouver where he stood on his head. He was remarkable vs the Dallas Stars in the playoffs, a one man show.
Ring of honor is quite the honor, but this decision could go eitherway imo.

Eitherway I'll be happy to see Luo up above next time I hit up Rogers place.

 

[Hit the post]

I think it would be better if they put his face on the $1 coin instead of Queen Elizabeth II, and called it the Lu-nie.

I'd prefer they take the toilet from the dressing room and put in a stall in the arena where fans can take a crap where Luongo used to. Have it marked with "Luongo took a dump here". Great way to honor him

 

[Vector]

LOL

Also reading the comments, you can tell how stupid most sports fans are. They stick to their favourite time, compare everything to it, and cannot reconcile that those that came later could be better.

 

[rypper]

Goalie A - 4th all time in wins.
Goalie B - 68th all time in wins.

Goalie A - 9th all time SV%
Goalie B - 159th all time SV%

The Defense rests. (Because goalie A is behind them.)

 

[Vector]

Spent way too much time on this...

-Minimum 41 games (or half-season for lockout years)
-full-Canuck seasons only

McLean(Regular Season):
87-88
GP Wins GAA SV%
41 20th 15th 16th

88-89
GP Wins GAA SV%
42 13th 5th 5th

89-90
GP Wins GAA SV%
63 12th 13th 12th

90-91
GP Wins GAA SV%
41 20th 19th 20th

91-92
GP Wins GAA SV%
65 1st 3rd 6th

92-93
GP Wins GAA SV%
54 10th 14th 15th

93-94
GP Wins GAA SV%
52 16th 17th 23rd

94-95
GP Wins GAA SV%
40 10th 12th 13th

95-96
GP Wins GAA SV%
45 24th 25th 27th

96-97
GP Wins GAA SV%
44 19th 25th 24th


Luongo(Regular Season):
06-07
GP Wins GAA SV%
76 2nd 6th 3rd

07-08
GP Wins GAA SV%
73 7th 12th 12th

08-09
GP Wins GAA SV%
54 10th 5th 4th

09-10
GP Wins GAA SV%
68 5th 17th 17th

10-11
GP Wins GAA SV%
60 2nd 2nd 3rd

11-12
GP Wins GAA SV%
55 14th 12th 10th

12-13
GP Wins GAA SV%
DNQ

Combined Playoff Stats (minimum 8 games):
McLean (1989-1996)
GP Wins GAA SV%
68 6th 13th 13th

Luongo (2006-2013)
GP Wins GAA SV%
64 3rd 22nd 20th

Luongo was far and away a better regular season goalie while McLean has the edge in GAA and SV% in the playoffs. McLean finished with a .500 playoff record while Luongo finished one-game above .500.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I'm kind of either way on Luongo. Wouldn't mind them retiring his jersey, don't mind them doing ROH either. His Canuck accomplishments line up fairly similarly to Kirk McLean's, who's in the ROH.

Either way - glad they're honouring one of our greatest.

Im a massive McLean homer but Luongos career and quality of play is head and shoulders above McLean.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

Luongo was, no doubt, the best Canuck goalie we've had so far. Career-wise.
But... McLean's 1994 playoff performance was, IMHO, head and shoulders above Lu's 2011 playoff performance. Especially in the Finals.

 

[tradervik]

Im a massive McLean homer but Luongos career and quality of play is head and shoulders above McLean.

Not so much if you adjust for the eras in which they played. See Vector's post earlier in this thread. If you look at their playoff stats relative to their peers, they're nearly equal.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Roberto has a more established and impressive career and he was also a more influential person to the Canucks. The fact he was named captain really says it all - even though naming the goalie your captain ended up a poor decision.

Comparing McLean and Luongo because they both made it to the SC g7 is really missing the point.

LOL

Also reading the comments, you can tell how stupid most sports fans are. They stick to their favourite time, compare everything to it, and cannot reconcile that those that came later could be better.

Luongo was far and away a better regular season goalie while McLean has the edge in GAA and SV% in the playoffs. McLean finished with a .500 playoff record while Luongo finished one-game above .500.

ultimately it’s a question of what you as a fan(base) want to remember, or in this case memorialize.

luongo was the best rs goalie in franchise history, full stop. he had arguably the single best rs season of any canuck ever (2007), including either sedin, naslund, bertuzzi, bure, petey, hughes, anyone. mclean in his peak year (1992) hit a level not that far above where luongo consitently was every year. and mclean’s other spike year (1989), that was a little below where luongo usually was.

so if the thing we care about is the guy’s objective standing relative to the rest of the league, you can absolutely make an argument that luongo not only is a tier or several above mclean but should be in the rafters. that’s the naslund argument and hey why not bertuzzi while we’re at it?

but here is the nuance: luongo was an overdog. it was an absolute revelation that we got him, and he did what he was expected to do, which is provide us with creme de la creme goaltending year in, year out. this debate, imo, rests on how much we value that revelation. we’d had guys who could win games by themselves before, even guys who could win a whole series, but luongo could win any and every game all by himself and that was unprecedented. he changed the culture not only of the team but (like bure did) also of the fanbase and how we understood our place relative to the rest of the league.

conversely, mclean was an underdog. for years, even after 1992, the league at large didn’t really recognize how good he was. it took the 94 run. that 1989 season was like the last two markstrom seasons in that we knew this was a top notch goalie who should be getting fringe mvp votes but the world didn’t (yet). look at that d: garth butcher and doug lidster, ok bona fine good players; after that broken down paul reinhart who even in his prime wasn’t especially anything defensively, robert nordmark was a pp specialist, harold snepsts’ corpse (slash last hurrah in the playoffs), and a grab bag of revolving human garbage that included jim elmer benning. behind that d, mclean was three games above .500. then he pushed the powerhouse eventual cup winning flames to game 7 OT and lost on a goal that otto kicked in.

then 1992, his mvp season. over the first ten games of tbe year, mclean is 9-0-1, 1.75 GAA, .932 SV%, and the canucks are the surprise number one team in the league. this is basically the 1989 mclean but behind a rebuilt d (lumme-murzyn, diduck-babych, lidster-dirk) where their #1 in 89 was now on the third pair. this remember is before bure joined the team. by far the most successful canucks season ever, finished second in vezina voting behind the second best regular season in the career of imo the greatest goalie of all time.

so mclean is a guy who generally in his prime was a top third goalie with three big spikes, which successfully got more and more recognition. if he’d played in toronto he would have been an all-star most years. if he’d played on the 94 panthers he would have finished second or third in hart voting instead of fourth.

ultimately, mclean in 94 was a massive massive overachievement relative to expectations and the temperature around the league. luongo was one game short of what was expected of him. and actually even if luongo had gotten that 16th win, given his performances in the second halves of the boston and chicago series, he probably still would be remembered historically as having underachieved.

all this to say, the same part of me that values mclean as luongo’s equal as a ROH candidate is the part of me that values ronning, bieksa, and burrows more highly than morrison, jovo, and bertuzzi. but imo that nuance is the real substance of being a fan. all the other stuff, stats and awards voting and what the HNIC panel out in toronto thinks, is less meaningful to me personally.

 

[HairyKneel]

Should have his jersey retired here in my opinion, but glad they are honouring him. Might go for the bobblehead

No he shouldn’t. 3 numbers deserve to be retired. 10, 22, 33. That’s it.