Confirmed with Link: Canucks re-sign F Anton Rodin (1-Year, 1-Way - $700K) (on waivers, clears, assigned to Utica)

[denkiteki]

The thing is that you might think there is mismanagement, but I doubt Rodin thinks that. It's amazing that fans blame "management" when none of us (who aren't doctors) would have done differently. Dr. Celebrini is suppose to be a world renowned doctor in rehab, so why would you (if you were the Canucks GM) question his advice or another doctor's advice, and what Rodin is telling you. Rodin was apparently having problems with his knee from the get go. Rodin and the doctors obviously want to avoid a surgery if possible. And even in Rodin's interviews, he said that it was hard starting games but got better as he warmed up. Could the Canucks have shut him down? They could have. But the result would likely have been the same. Rodin's first surgery apparently caused complications that changed the mechanics in his knee and caused inflammation in the joint. No amount of rest and rehab was likely to change that, that's why Rodin opted for a 2nd surgery. And they consulted Dr. Miniaci (who successfully diagnosed Hodgson's back injury) who is a renowned sports surgeon.

And as a professional athlete Rodin wanted to play and test out his knee. The Canucks gave him a chance to play and test out his knee. I think to Rodin, the Canucks gave him the opportunity and the support he needed. And despite a lost season, the Canucks yet again offered him a one way NHL contract. If you're someone who values loyalty, that's something to consider.

You're right in that we don't know what Rodin is thinking but in terms of mismanagement, although its from hindsight given we don't have as much information as the team (at least until it comes out later tho even then its likely we'll have less information), there were reports that his first surgery did not fix his knee and he might have needed a 2nd procedure (which he did). Only difference is we waited until Feb instead of doing it at the start of the season. Also we let him play 5 pre-season games.

Of course we don't know what information the team had at the time so maybe at the time they made what they thought was the right decision but in hindsight, it was the wrong decision. That is a management mistake (even if its not intentional). Rather they did the mistake with enough information or made what they thought was the best decision with the information in hand really doesn't matter too much in terms of the outcome. The result was its the wrong decision (even if its unintentionally). That isn't to say management won't make mistakes because everyone makes mistakes. The difference is good management will make fewer mistakes than bad management... after all that's pretty much the definition of management... trying to make the best decisions based on information on hand and of course good management will make more good decisions where as bad management will make the wrong choices more often (and thus costing the team/business/etc money/resources).

They also knew the injury was more complicated in July (before training camp) its really a case of rather the team wanted to just see what he could do regardless (and of course being a competitor, he wanted to play) vs what was actually best for his health. Team doctors aren't exactly always most concern with the players health (note not saying they don't care, just they might value getting the player to play more than the players long term health)... this has slowly been proven in the NFL and its likely similar in all sports.

Bottom line, i'm glad he's getting another chance... i hope this team he actually plays with playmakers/offensive role instead of playing on the 4th line.

 

[F A N]

You're right in that we don't know what Rodin is thinking but in terms of mismanagement, although its from hindsight given we don't have as much information as the team (at least until it comes out later tho even then its likely we'll have less information), there were reports that his first surgery did not fix his knee and he might have needed a 2nd procedure (which he did). Only difference is we waited until Feb instead of doing it at the start of the season. Also we let him play 5 pre-season games.

The problem is that need for that 2nd surgery. Anyone in Rodin's situation would have tried to avoid that 2nd surgery. If rehab wasn't going well the natural instinct is to try to continue to rehab and get better. Further surgery is the last resort. As for that 5 games, again, I don't think it will make a difference. If his knee wasn't right his knee wasn't right. Whether he played 1 game or 5 games in the preseason, eventually that knee is going to flare up/swell. That was the problem with his knee. Nothing but surgery could have corrected the problem if the reports are to be believed. And at that time, they were hoping that further surgery wasn't required. Many years ago, I went to a specialist because I had subluxation of the shoulder and dislocated more than 3 times. Usually it's 3 times you're out. The specialist I went to apparently treats Canucks players too. He told me that if I can avoid surgery I should do so as surgery methods improve over the years. The point is that I think a good doctor doesn't recommend surgery unless it's absolutely needed.

Of course we don't know what information the team had at the time so maybe at the time they made what they thought was the right decision but in hindsight, it was the wrong decision. That is a management mistake (even if its not intentional). Rather they did the mistake with enough information or made what they thought was the best decision with the information in hand really doesn't matter too much in terms of the outcome. The result was its the wrong decision (even if its unintentionally). That isn't to say management won't make mistakes because everyone makes mistakes. The difference is good management will make fewer mistakes than bad management... after all that's pretty much the definition of management... trying to make the best decisions based on information on hand and of course good management will make more good decisions where as bad management will make the wrong choices more often (and thus costing the team/business/etc money/resources).

Huh? Management signed him with the information and belief that he would be ready for training camp. There were "complications" from the surgery that could not have been foreseen at the time of the signing.

They also knew the injury was more complicated in July (before training camp) its really a case of rather the team wanted to just see what he could do regardless (and of course being a competitor, he wanted to play) vs what was actually best for his health. Team doctors aren't exactly always most concern with the players health (note not saying they don't care, just they might value getting the player to play more than the players long term health)... this has slowly been proven in the NFL and its likely similar in all sports.

Again, if you were Rodin and after surgery in January there were still complications in July, what would you do? Try to rehab it and keep going or go under the knife a second time? It's not unreasonable for Rodin to try to rehab it first rather than miss out on the opportunity to play in the NHL. At the end of the day, it's up to Rodin.

Bottom line, i'm glad he's getting another chance... i hope this team he actually plays with playmakers/offensive role instead of playing on the 4th line.

Agreed. I had high expectations for Rodin last season. Hopefully he comes back as strong as ever.

 

[denkiteki]

The problem is that need for that 2nd surgery. Anyone in Rodin's situation would have tried to avoid that 2nd surgery. If rehab wasn't going well the natural instinct is to try to continue to rehab and get better. Further surgery is the last resort. As for that 5 games, again, I don't think it will make a difference. If his knee wasn't right his knee wasn't right. Whether he played 1 game or 5 games in the preseason, eventually that knee is going to flare up/swell. That was the problem with his knee. Nothing but surgery could have corrected the problem if the reports are to be believed. And at that time, they were hoping that further surgery wasn't required. Many years ago, I went to a specialist because I had subluxation of the shoulder and dislocated more than 3 times. Usually it's 3 times you're out. The specialist I went to apparently treats Canucks players too. He told me that if I can avoid surgery I should do so as surgery methods improve over the years. The point is that I think a good doctor doesn't recommend surgery unless it's absolutely needed.



Huh? Management signed him with the information and belief that he would be ready for training camp. There were "complications" from the surgery that could not have been foreseen at the time of the signing.



Again, if you were Rodin and after surgery in January there were still complications in July, what would you do? Try to rehab it and keep going or go under the knife a second time? It's not unreasonable for Rodin to try to rehab it first rather than miss out on the opportunity to play in the NHL. At the end of the day, it's up to Rodin.



Agreed. I had high expectations for Rodin last season. Hopefully he comes back as strong as ever.

I guess you missed the entire point of my post... of why management is called "management"?

They made decisions based on the information they had and it proved to be the wrong decision... that's why its an example of bad/mismanagement. Even if its if hindsight, its a mistake and you evaluate management based on the number of good decisions and the number of bad decisions they made. They made the wrong call with his injury and it basically cost him the year.

As far as the complications goes, they were aware of it before he started playing/trying to win a spot. They let him "win" the spot then were force to shut him down. A rational decision then would be have a 2nd surgery and hope to recover by the 2nd half of the season. Instead the team went with the rehab route for 3 months only to get him in for a few games before doing the season ending injury (that should've been done 3 months earlier). Even those few games, it was odd how he played every night for Utica then played once a week in Vancouver...

Like i said, its hindsight but the end result is its a bad decision and to some people, its considered mismanagement and they could (and you can't blame them if they do) lose faith in the management thus looking for opportunities elsewhere.

I''m glad that Rodin decided to stay around but like i said i'm surprised because i thought he would rather go elsewhere. If it was me in his shoe, i would be going elsewhere.

 

[vancityluongo]

Disappointing but hardly surprising. Sigh. Think he gets a shot somewhere.

 

[StrictlyCommercial]

Disappointing but hardly surprising. Sigh. Think he gets a shot somewhere.

He shouldn't be claimed. He barely made any impact this training camp. Needs time in the AHL to catch up after missing basically 2 straight years with injury.

 

[timw33]

Would be shocked if he's claimed.

It'll be a big boost to Utica this year though. We aren't hanging them out to dry like the past couple of years.

 

[M2Beezy]

Well not sure what to make of this TBH. Obviously the best situ is if he IS NOT claimed and plays for the Comets and can impress enough to get called up or next year

 

[Pip]

Felt that he was given the short end of the stick in terms of linemates, especially last game, and was still fairly productive. He did need to be better but I was hoping that he would be given some leeway since he missed last year

 

[krutovsdonut]

want him to clear and go to the comets and then come back here as soon as he gets his game speed back. would have kept him here over archibald. it's not complicated.

 

[MS]

Felt that he was given the short end of the stick in terms of linemates, especially last game, and was still fairly productive. He did need to be better but I was hoping that he would be given some leeway since he missed last year

Agreed. If he clears waivers and is willing to go to Utica this might turn out ok, but it'll be disappointing if we lose such a talented asset after giving him a pretty marginal look this preseason.

 

[Grantham]

After watching last nights game, I just get the feeling that his knee is still not right.

The way he pivots when he has to change directions is so slow, this is not the player I remember years ago who wasn’t super fast, but was quite agile. I think it’s either him subconsciously trying not to tear up his knee again, or there is still a problem. I thought he got plenty of opportunity last game to show something, and he didn’t. Archibald, Virtanen were much better.

I’m still hoping he clears, it would make Utica a ton of fun to watch, but I’m also dreading that the injuries may have finished his NHL bid.

Please prove my doubts wrong Anton!

 

[MadCard05]

He might be done, but it's hard to say. The guy missed a lot of hockey, so it might just be a situation where he needs to get a lot of ice time and get his grove back, the AHL is the place where he can do that.

 

[krutovsdonut]

so he cleared?

 

[CherryToke]

Yes he cleared. Good news.

 

[timw33]

Yep this is a great outcome. Clears waivers and now doesn't need to go through waivers to get a call up. Expecting him to flourish.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Yes he cleared. Good news.

Why?

Kid is done. He can’t make the Vancouver Canucks. We are the worst team in hockey by a mile. No other teams picked him up , for free, without losing anything.

What does that tell you?

Why are people so high on this kid? Turn the page. Wasted pick.

 

[Pip]

Why?

Kid is done. He can’t make the Vancouver Canucks. We are the worst team in hockey by a mile. No other teams picked him up , for free, without losing anything.

What does that tell you?

Why are people so high on this kid? Turn the page. Wasted pick.

Because he clearly has high level skills and likely would be a decent NHLer if not for all of his injuries. Definitely a worthwhile player to draft.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Would have been good IF.... I stopped reading there.

Jason king would have been a good NHL player IF he was a good NHL player

Derek Dorsett would be good at fighting IF he was good at fighting.

My grandpa would be my grandma IF he didn’t have male parts.

See where I am going here?

That IF makes all the difference.

 

[CherryToke]

Why?

Kid is done. He can’t make the Vancouver Canucks. We are the worst team in hockey by a mile. No other teams picked him up , for free, without losing anything.

What does that tell you?

Why are people so high on this kid? Turn the page. Wasted pick.

I'm not at all high on him but it's unlikely that we've seen the best of him yet so why not hang on to him in until we are certain that we have seen his best? Is there someone in Utica that he is blocking? What are the negatives here???

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Agreed 100%. For Utica , no problem. But it’s annoying to hear people wanting to give this guy 50 more chances with the big club. It’s been like 5 years. Time to move on from him, from a Canucks standpoint.

If 30 other GMs don’t want him for free ......

I'm not at all high on him but it's unlikely that we've seen the best of him yet so why not hang on to him in until we are certain that we have seen his best? Is there someone in Utica that he is blocking? What are the negatives here???

 

[ProstheticConscience]

Saying nobody else wants him when he clears waivers at this time of year is always disingenuous.

This is the time of year when every team has more players than places to play them. Every team is making decisions about who stays and who goes, and not very often do GMs sniff around for waiver pickups before the regular season has revealed what holes they really need to fill and who they have in-house to fill them.

Rodin's worth keeping around in Utica to start the year, and if he's any good he'll get a callup when the inevitable injuries hit.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Why?

Kid is done. He can’t make the Vancouver Canucks. We are the worst team in hockey by a mile. No other teams picked him up , for free, without losing anything.

What does that tell you?

Why are people so high on this kid? Turn the page. Wasted pick.

yeah, nobody ever cleared waivers before and went on to do anything.

i am "high" on the guy i watched at camp last year who i think made the canucks on merit but physically could not play. by which i mean i want to see if the guy can play in the nhl.

i am hoping his game guy reappears after a few games given he just had two consecutive major surgeries and an 18 month hiatus from playing hockey consistently and two surgery rehabs.

i am also rooting for the guy given what he has been through.

 

[JuniorNelson]

It does look like kind of a long shot, now, for this guy to make the NHL as a regular. Not just because he is hampered by a knee, also because he has run through his chances.

 

[Jyrki21]

No one is going to put in a claim for an obvious injury risk – that's not surprising. To call him a "wasted pick" when he was doing incredibly up until a serious injury is really weird, though. Like that was foreseeable or something?

 

[rune74]

No one is going to put in a claim for an obvious injury risk – that's not surprising. To call him a "wasted pick" when he was doing incredibly up until a serious injury is really weird, though. Like that was foreseeable or something?

Um, you know how old he is right? To state he was doing incredible us a stretch. He was a very late bloomer.